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Type III Gold Dollar With Solder On Reverse

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I bought a type iii gold dollar today for $60; obverse is passable, reverse has solder but some abrasion. I tried boiling it in water, MS70 treatment, acetone,H202 etc.. I don't have nitric acid handy. How would I get this off and what value would an ex jewelry have?
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 Posted 11/02/2016  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd keep it as jewelry and honestly I wouldve paid spot on it.
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Try this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JSP-Silver-...AMXQuCdTfl9T

Don't expect miracles. After multiple applications It will take off lead and silver solder but not gold solder. It will probably improve the coin's appearance but it will still be a jewelry coin. Here's what the test solution did to a Type III with a soldered post:

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The post was removed, along with solder covering part of the word dollar. But there was gold solder underlying the silver solder, so the date is still covered (except for the zero of 1860). Unfortunately for coin collectors the jewelers that made these things didn't worry a lot about what damage they were doing to the reverse.

$60 is a pretty good price for a gold dollar. Holed and love token dollars settle at around $100 on the bay.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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11/02/2016 11:29 pm
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Leave well enough alone, agree.



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Smocking hot deal! Great buy!
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When it comes coins soldered to jewelry, once jewelry, always jewelry. Even if you get the solder off, the mark from it still be there. It is easier to make it worse than to fix it.
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@billjones the post I took off was an ugly snaggletooth, and while the reverse is still ugly at least it's flat. Getting rid of the post didn't reveal any more of the date though.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Ive had this 98 Barber dime for a while but never really looked very close. Can any one tell me whats going on with the date? I think there is a 2 behind the last 8. And U.S.A. restruck?

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@wolfgang

please start a separate thread for this
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This gold Dollar is certainly worth including in any collection of Classic American coins, but is only worth it's gold value.

Just leave 'as is'.
Agressive treatment would be much worse than 'cleaning'. Remember, 90% gold is reasonably soft.
Nitric Acid will leach the copper out of the gold surface, so don't use.

Most probably an ex jewelry piece, so therefore hard solder with silver alloy would have been used. Lead solder would have been far too weak.
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I got the test solution idea from one of the several threads in coincommunity. My results were disappointing, but others have done better. This thread shows before and after on an 1862 Type III.

http://goccf.com/t/135785&whichpage=2

The silver test solution has no noticeable effect on the gold coin. Since it was bullion to start with, being able to read the date increased the value of the 1862, by $50 IMO, even though it's still a jewelry coin. In the case of my 1860-S, it would have been a much bigger increase due to the rarity of the coin. But you can't always get what you want.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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