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Is This A Common Error On 1909 VDB?

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Hello, is this a common error on 1909 VDB?

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 Posted 11/07/2016  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a broken hub issue. I've not heard of this before for this year. If you have the only example, it might be a Struck Through Grease issue. But if it is a hub issue, then there should be a lot more of these that year. 1936 did have an issue with this:
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This can be seen on several dies. some being normal dies and others varieties. But first mention on this. You might send John Wexler an image and see what he thinks. He would probably know if there are more examples.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Johnsonr29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got a reply from John Wexler, and he put me into contact with Mike Diamond a column editor from Coin World. Mr. Wexler said," It looks to me like either a Grease Filled Die on the R in LIBERTY, or possibly surface damage to the coin in that area. However, I work almost exclusively with coins that involve some sort of doubled images such as doubled dies, repunched mint marks (RPMs), over mint marks, repunched dates, misplaced dates, and overdates. I don't work with other error types. I recommend that you contact Mike Diamond who writes the "Collector's Clearinghouse" column for Coin World.

So maybe it is nothing, but who knows. I sent Mike Diamond an email with the photos and I am waiting to hear back from him.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Johnsonr29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, I just came home and checked my email and I got a response from Mike Diamond. He says," I agree that this looks like a chipped hub. I'm not aware that any have been reported among 1909 V.D.B. cents."

Now I wonder if that makes this like a really special coin. According to Jim Wexler, Mike Diamond is the authority on these type of minting errors.

Any thoughts on what I should do next? Should I send it in for grading? Is it worth it?
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I would hold onto it for now. You might check with James Wiles at Variety vista to see what information he has on this damaged hub issue. Best to cover the bases first before you swing for the home run.
Bottom of the page is his email:
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Include your best images with his email. See what he says.
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I just sent James Wiles an email. Hopefully he sheds some more light on this. I appreciate your replies to this post and helping me get to experts that can get answers to this coin. Much appreciated.
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 Posted 11/09/2016  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Johnsonr29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Robert:
A broken hub would produce this effect. But, if that were the case, then it should have affected several dies and thus be a known die error. Since your is unique, it is most likely the result of a strike through debris, which is a very common error type. As such it would not be worth the slabbing fees to have it slabbed.

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Maybe it is just me but I have been looking at struck through debris errors on coins and they don't even look the same. I guess no one wants to be the first to actually say it is a broken hub because they haven't seen another example yet. Just dance around it. I'm sending it in for authentication because that is the only way I will ever get a straight answer. I don't care if I lose money doing it, I just want to know the real answer and learn from this coin.
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I would agree, struck through would not be so defined, the edges of the affected area would be more waffly, and the rest of the R would not look like this.
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