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Medieval German Coins

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 Posted 11/24/2016  3:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tjomych to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Please help me to identify these early medieval german coins.


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 Posted 11/24/2016  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tjomych, first welcome to CCF.

Second, I think that I can get you at least partway to an attribution for these coins. I'm pretty sure that the first coin is a pfennig from mid-1200s Muenster. This is based on the portrait of Saint Paul on the obv and then the bishop with crozier on the rev. I can't find an exact match, but the two primary sources for you would be the auction catalog of Bonhoff and the book by Peter Ilisch. Most of the coins that I have seen from this location and time have much if not all of the text off of the flan. I'm not sure whether this was by design or is rather due to edge clipping.

For your second coin, I think that you may have a denar from Brandenburg. I have a coin with a very similar tree-like device on the obv (you've got it pictured upside down) from 1280-1293 AD (under Otto IV). The rev is different though, so yours isn't the exact coin as mine. Again, Bonhoff could be a potentially good resource.

Thanks for posting these great little coins.
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Wish I could help, but this is not my area of collecting.
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 Posted 11/25/2016  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok good news! I found your first piece. It is a pfennig from the Bishopric of Muenster under Ludolf von Holte (1226-1248 AD). On the obv is a mitred bishop facing forward, enthroned on a folding stool that has been decorated with animal heads. The bishop is holding a crozier in one hand and the Bible in the other. On the reverse is Saint Paul's face on a door, with three towers in the background, the center one of which looks a bit like a flying saucer. There is only one pfennig that I can find with Saint Paul and the building together like this (most often they are on opposite sides of the coin). The attribution is Ilisch IX, 14 var.

See this link for a similar piece (lot # 3350) that was sold at a 2004 auction.

https://www.kuenker.de/data/kataloge/A093.pdf
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 Posted 11/26/2016  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tjomych to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You Spence!

Found that coin from your pdf. Interesting is that close to the place I got this coin I found some 15 coins of Viking time (couple of arabian dirhems and different German states of 11th century).
Now I´m looking in auctions for the second coin.
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I found some 15 coins of Viking time


As you have time, please feel free to post them here. It is always interesting to see these old gems!
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OK, here is a set of coins I've got first day.

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 Posted 12/01/2016  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tjomych to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also later found these coins.

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Hi,

all I can say is that the second coin is not a Brandenburg denar. I've seen quite a lot of them here at local auctions lately and the style/design just doesn't match.

Good luck for identifiying all these :)

Best regards from Berlin
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@tjomych, a nice grouping to be sure. Sure, some are a little beat up, but as you noted, these are all pretty old. If you have attributions, it would be super-cool to post them in separate threads, each with a close up of the obverse and reverse. If you are looking for a little additional help, please post them in the same fashion (just not all 14 on the same day!) and we can take a closer look at them.
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