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1999 5 Cent Large/Small Date

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 Posted 12/02/2016  9:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here the Large/Small date of 1999 5 cents.
The right coin has double rim on obverse.


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 Posted 12/07/2016  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your post, another variety I will need to look out for. Ate there any other differences between the two? IRD or size of the SD for example?
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 Posted 12/11/2016  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a close-up of the difference?
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 Posted 12/11/2016  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look for doubled rim, from there you will notice the differences. It has doubled rim entire obverse.
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 Posted 12/12/2016  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't see it, I'm sorry. The one on the right seems to have the lettering further from the rim, and I think I can see that in the ones that I have, but I cannot see the difference in the date size, or the double rim. A better picture would be excellent.
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 Posted 12/12/2016  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope this may help.


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You can notice the second rim entire obverse has this characteristics. Maybe I am wrong with subject but these I can safe say closed/far to rim variants.
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 Posted 12/13/2016  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually it looks like there is a close to rim and far from rim differentiation - nice find.
Do you know which one is more common and what the approximate ratio is?
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I don't have any idea now which more common and likewise. Since there is no study yet on this but on my observation go for the doubled rim (close to rim) maybe this was first designed and later on they notice and create new die but this only my humble opinion.

Just notice on first thread the left coin has doubled rim and not the right.
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12/13/2016 06:00 am
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 Posted 12/13/2016  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, well done.
Can you please check if the IRB is the same on both? Joined or not.
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It has the same IRB. If you found some please post and focus on the back neck of the Queen.
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 Posted 01/23/2017  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have just looked at 700 1999 5 cent pieces. Under light magnification (5X) I did find slight differences in the apparent distance from the lettering to the rim. Selecting two that appeared different I photographed and measured them. (I measured the distance between the 'T' in Aust. and the 'Z' in Eliz. Also the distance between the tip of the tiara and the right hand point of the neck. Measurements were basically the same for both coins, within 0.1 mm.
It is possible that all 700 coins were the same type, looking more like the 'large head' variety, and there were no 'small head' in my sample lot. It is also possible that the differences between the two is actually in the rim. It does look like one rim is more radiused than the other.
If possible, can you measure the coins Dikayopilak?
See my pics below.

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 Posted 01/26/2017  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dikayopilak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice layout! You take it seriously, base on the photos I believed the upper coin is the right one. look at the Queens back neck's there is slight doubling and you will notice the lower hair has these scatter die chips, and the upper coin has this doubled rim.

My left coin has these characteristic and I think this the best diagnostic for comparing the variant.
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 Posted 02/07/2017  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks dikayopilak, the point that I was trying to make, though, is that I don't think there is a difference between the two.
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Beveled edge might be the term, but yes that looks like what it could be - in the first two images the distance between the rim and the T in AUSTRALIA looks very different, probably due to the shadow of the rim, while the distance between the rim and the I in AUSTRALIA looks the same, probably because there is no shadow.
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