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1911 Indian Head Quarter Eagle Denver Mint

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 Posted 12/12/2016  9:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add amcleivam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Attached are a new set of photos of the 1911 Denver Mint Indian Head 1/4 Eagle. I have started a new post because I am seeking input based on a new set of photos that address the prior challenges in clarity of photos. These photos were taken in natural light and have no modifications or enhancements, only cropped and resized to meet the 300kb limit. I would like the opinion of anyone with some legitimate experience in grading coins that is familiar specifically with the 1911 quarter eagle. Again, I'm not necessarily concerned with the authenticity of the coin and not looking for authentication, just curious about how it grades. If the photos are still to small I'm not sure it's possible to grade a coins with photos limited to 300kb. I apologize for any duplicates, I've tried to upload several different views and images for review. Thanks for you input.

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I will say AU 58.
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 Posted 12/12/2016  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definite AU-55/58.

Looking good on authenticity. Could you look at this area with a loupe and tell us if the line the arrow is pointing at is present?

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 Posted 12/13/2016  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is where gold gets tricky for me to grade when it is high AU to mint state. At first glance it appears ms, but looking at it with different angles it may have lightly circulated, hence my guess an au58....it could well very be mint state. The only real way to know would be to send it to PCGS or NGC and find out.
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Your first two pictures look better over here than they did on the NGC board.

The coin has the markers of a genuine piece with the partial wire rim on the obverse and scallops at the top of the reverse. I'd say it's in the EF-AU grade, but this is the type of piece that you really need to get certified to get all the money out of it.
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My first guess was XF, due to wear on the cheek and top of the wing. This is a notoriously difficult series to grade as the design is incuse and the fields show wear before most of the design. An AU-55 coin should not have much wear on the upper wing and cheek. I'd say XF, but I could see it being sold as AU-50.
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AU-55
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Looks authentic in the AU-55, possibly 58 range.

This is a coin you absolutely must send to NGC or PCGS to get maximum value, regardless of grade.
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AU55
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AU-55, shot 58. Nice example.
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AU-55.
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Just FYI, the line in the arrows does not determine authenticity on a 1911-D. I have had numerous conversations and numerous re-grading attempts through PCGS with a coin I have. My coin has the line in the arrows EXACTLY as shown in the pic above. PCGS said that is not a determining die characteristic.

PCGS graders are keying in on a "line in the eagle's beak". I am not sure where this line exists...would love to see a closeup of the beak to determine what PCGS is looking for!
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Very nice. 55 here too
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To try to get a better understanding of how these things are graded, I have loaded some examples of MS61 quarter eagles, followed by an example of a MS64 and finally a AU58, the grade many or most have assigned to the subject of this post. I'm sorry, It looks like most responders gave a AU55, maybe AU58 and one gave it a AU50. I'm not questioning anyones experience or level of "expertise" as I am a total novice and this clearly takes years of experience to begin to understand the comlexities of grading the 1911 indian head. I mean maybe its the glue but I dont get the logic. I see the possible wear on the cheek and the shoulder, I see it in every grade posted below. Yes even the MS64. I see the possible wear on the cheek. I see it in several of them. I see the noticible flaws, knicks, etc in the faces of every coin, some inexplicably worse than others. The most stark difference between all is the AU58 and the others, including the subject of this post. So my question is, What am I missing? Even in my most objective efforts, I dont see the relativity nor contrast between the AU55, the AU58 and the subject coin. I can maybe see a 58 if I am hyper critical of every flaw and ignorant of those in certified 58s. But a 55 and better yet a 50? The contrast between other 55 and 50 coins and the subject coin are hideous. Did anyone actually make any basic comparisons before offering an opinion? No big deal if not, I would just like to know in assessing the reliability of advice available and prevailing level of expertise or acumen in the subject matter.

I have added a AU50 example for reference. Hope this helps in future efforts.

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