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Unclaimed Coins And Police Auction/ Illinois

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From the article it sounds like this burglar was quite prolific and sold/melted down most of his ill gotten gains. What is left up for auction apparently is only the tip of the iceberg.
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A good reason to have an inventory.
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Never knew there was a 1918 Lincoln half-dollar commemorative made...
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Here is what is looks like Bryan78
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I smell multiple parties petitioning for an injunction coming
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Yeah, I looked it up... Nice looking coin and I really like the pic you posted with that great toning...
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I smell multiple parties petitioning for an injunction coming


Yeah I'm sure there will be but in the Law Enforcement's defense, they made every effort to return the items back to their rightful owners... If you can't prove it was your property then they are not going to return based on your word... Otherwise, I'll say it was all mine so I can have for myself when none of it was mine to begin with...

I'm really surprised the coin shop did not have an inventory of what they had... I'm curious if they even filed a claim with their insurance for the losses...
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but in the Law Enforcement's defense, they made every effort to return the items back to their rightful owners... If you can't prove it was your property then they are not going to return based on your word...


Very true. Even if you could prove, with a receipt, that your coin shop had ten double eagles or ASE's or whatever, you couldn't prove that any of the ones recovered are yours. Slabbed coins might be easier to return if you could provide records. But raw coins ...?

This criminal robbed many people over seven months and that makes it impossible to figure out who owned what.
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If they can't find a victim how can they prove they were stolen? And if they can't prove they were stolen why shuoldn't the money go to the person that was holding the property at the time it was confiscated?


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If you can't prove it was your property then they are not going to return based on your word...

Why should I have to prove it's mine. Shouldn't they have to prove that it isn't? If they confiscated something on the assumption that it was stolen, but then weren't able to prove that it was stolen, why shouldn't it be returned tot he person it was confiscated from?
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why even bother to look for the owner when they know they will get the proceeds from the seizure?
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Gurnee police can't find all the owners of stolen valuables


Bet they didn't break a sweat trying!!
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Very true Conder but you know as well as I do how greedy and agreasive these law enforcement agencies have become with asset forfeitures. They really have become thieves themselves
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I agree with the statement at the end of the article that the proceeds should not go directly to the local police but instead a statewide fund. Otherwise the police would end up seizing all high-end cars for "suspected drug trafficking" and auctioning them off.
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Otherwise the police would end up seizing all high-end cars for "suspected drug trafficking" and auctioning them off.

That has been known to happen.
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I can understand that point of view but having been robbed more than once, I know that if the police don't find your belongings in a day or two there is little chance of recovering them. After making an insurance claim and cashing that check any items recovered would belong to the insurance company.

If someone stole my wedding ring and I got a check from the insurance company -- I might not be in a big hurry to replace it. If it was recovered months later, I would gladly return the money to get my ring back. But if it was my car that got stolen, I would have replaced it as soon as I could and then what? Sell the replacement car to return the money to get the original car back? No, the recovered car would go to the insurance company to sell and recover some of the money they paid out.

I'm guessing that the unclaimed coins cannot be connected with certainty to the original owner and the insurance companies would decide that further investigation was not cost effective.
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