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Bedrock of the Community
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Given the strong opinions expressed about the 1843 Seated dollar that seemed unoriginal and flat, I was looking and found the one below. It seems to have loads of luster, but is so white that I was concerned about it having been dipped. Is this one original in your opinion or still cleaned? This one is also PCGS straight AU58 and is offered at about $1,600. One large scratch by the foot in the obverse.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I like it A LOT better than the previous one you posted. I'm sure it's had a quick dip in the past but certainly doesn't appear over-dipped (i.e. flat & dull). The scratch by the foot looks light in these images. It could be as you say "a large scratch" in-hand but doesn't look large to me in this pic. The strike here is average, the reverse borders on over-dipped and AU55 sounds better to me but it is what it is and PCGS said 58. These late dated Seated dollars are considered common dates in the series and $1600 is large money for this coin. It looks more FMV ~$1300 to me. Here's a nicer 58 that went for ~$1400 a couple years ago. I'd wait for a better example or try to get 15% off the one you posted. https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dol...Lot=1x=0&y=0Edited by BH1964
12/21/2016 11:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks BH. It is great to get these insights on what to look for within a grade target. There is such a wide range within a specific numerical grade by the same TPG that discussion of these considerations is extremely valuable. I see the weak strike in the obverse in the stars at either side of the flag held by liberty. Are there other indications of the weak strike? The hairline in the head looks pretty sharp compared to common date new orleans issues, and other devices seem pretty sharp. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Not my type of coin, overdipped, overgraded and overpriced. Once I saw those scratches in the right obverse field and left of the date I couldn't see anything else.
Hold out for a better example with more original surfaces and a more accurate grade and you will be grateful later on. CAC approval would be a good place to start.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
12/22/2016 01:30 am
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United States
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If you notice the "halo effect" around all of the design details you can tell that this has been dipped and lightly rubbed after the dip. The easiest place to see this is on the reverse where the design elements show a different color next to those elements and the fields next to them. Some assume this is remaining luster, but it is not. The areas that have the rubbed look in the open fields is from the light polishing, usually with a very soft cloth that does not leave parallel lines. It's great that you are buying the coin and not assuming the TPG is right all the time. Every little problem a coin has reduces potential buyers. Larger problems cut even more potential buyers from the pack. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Really overdipped, looks white, but I dont really like it
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Bedrock of the Community
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Me neither, to be honest. Has a very artificial look to it.
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Pillar of the Community
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That scratch on the obverse and the fact that it has been over-dipped resulting in some less than pleasing toning would be deal breakers for me in this price range. Keep window shopping, you can find a more pleasing example in the same price level IMO.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Many thanks to all.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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I like the reverse more than the obverse
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Too white for my taste. You will the perfect one though. Keep searching.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice AU which has been dipped.
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