Currencies Of The German States - The List

january1may, thanks for the explanation, we'll list them separately then (and add a note that the Grossus is called Gröscher in the literature on the subject).

paralyse, I'd like to keep the Notgeld out of this since there is no clear line between coins actually made for circulation and speculative issues among them.

Joseph7420, now that's a lot of new information, thanks a lot, I much appreciate your effort!
Stuber added, new early date for Pfennig noted, Petermenger added (along with alternative spelling Petermentger and some extended dates), Goldgulden added (also found a 1/2 Goldgulden of the same type dated 1750), Denier added (this particular coin is already on the Odd Denominations list but it is also useful for this one), Denar added (I wasn't actually aware that a coin that said "denar" existed!)

Others: some unverified dates for Grossus and Dreiling added.

I'll post the list with all the additions made so far.

Yeah, I was quite surprised when I found it!

So I went through Numista to find some additional dates, and found.. well, some additional dates. Hopefully I have all of the right links in the right places, because I really do not feel like double checking them all.

Albus: 1636 to 1793.
Dreiling: 1783 to 1855.
Ducat: only an older one, but 1635. The only other dates I could find were 1640 and 1824.
Mariengroschen: 1621 to 1834.
Gulden: only an older date of 1753.
Kreuzer / Kreutzer: If the K is an abbreviation of Kreuzer, then 1622. If not, that would push it forwards to 1623. And there is also a newer one dated 1873.
Krone: not only found in Prussia, but also Saxony, Hannover, and Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel. One from Saxony is dated 1857 to 1871.
Sechsling: 1726 to 1855.
Thaler: I think the Thal stands for Thaler, and there is one like that dated 1691. The newest one I could find was 1866.

Now, would a Gute Groschen the same as a Guter Groschen? If so, they can be dated from 1671 to 1834.
I could not find anything different for Groten, but is a Grote the same thing? Just an alternate spelling?
No date changes, but some Neugroschens were also made in Saxe-Altenburg (example).
I could not find any older dates for the Schwaren nor the Heller, and also no newer dates for the Heller.

And finally: here is a Nautsch Heller, and there is also the Reichsthaler, dated from 1672 to 1818.

And I should add that I did not check for dates on anything added since the last update post.

When Albrecht declared the Knights of the Teutonic Order for Lutheranism and formed the Duchy of Prussia, as a vassal state/fiefdom of Sigismund I of Poland, the monetary union entered into between the two led to two systems: the East and Brandenburg had the Pfennig, Schilling (=6 pfe.), Groschen (=3 Schilling), 3 Gröscher, 6 Gröscher and T(h)aler/Tolar/Joachimsthal guldiner (=24 Gröscher), the result being 24 Groschen to the Thaler; the West had 18 Pfennige to the Groschen, resulting in a 30-Groschen Thaler which matched well to the 30-groszy zloty of Poland.

3 Gröscher coins from Albrecht's Duchy of Prussia have the denomination listed as "GROSS." (sic) whereas the Groschen coins have no denomination at all.

The Reichsmünzordnung and subsequent Diets by 1566 (Leipzig) had set the standard for the Taler/Thaler at 1/9th Cologne Mark, approx. 29.23g .890 fine silver; a Cologne mark being 1/2 Pfund fine silver. The resulting Reichsthaler went with the East Prussian: 1 Groschen/Gutegroschen = 12 Pfennige (1/24 Thaler); a bit later, 1 Mariengroschen = 8 Pfennige (1/36 Thaler).

The southern States said to heck with all of that complicated nonsense, and kept a relatively simple 60 Kreuzer = 1 gulden, although they couldn't avoid the currency insanity for much longer (Kreutzer Landmünze..)

The Convention Thaler gets its name because in 1754 a new standard of 1/10th Cologne Mark (23.39g .890 fine silver) was adopted throughout most of the German States by way of a monetary convention; naturally, Prussia had to do its own thing and set its own devalued standard of 1/14th Cologne Mark (originally 16.7g, later slightly devalued again to 16.66g, i.e. 1/30th of a "metric pound" or kilogram.)

Gresham's law and ever-increasing Prussian dominance of German affairs combined to make the 1/14 Prussian Vereinsthaler the main standard for large parts of Germany until the Goldmark and unification.

Joseph7420, thank you yet again for your additions!

The German Wikipedia says "Groten" so that must be the modern way to write it.
The lack of space to write the full word doesn't seem to be the case on the coins you have shown so it may not be just an abbreviation, I'm guessing for some reason at that time and place this was the correct/dominant way to spell it.
Therefore, I added both Grote and Groot as alternative spellings.
Knyphausen added to Groten-states.

Other things I found:
Guter Pfennig new late date (1826), Albus new early date (1609), Mecklenburg-Schwerin had a Dreiling, Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach had Gute Pfennige, Saxe-Meiningen also had Convention Kreuzer coins (1765).

I am not sure if these two have been mentioned already, but I found a Solidus from Brandenburg, and that Hamburg and Mecklenburg-Schwerin used the Schillinge Courant from 1763 to 1809.

What I can say for Prussian Solidus coins is that in German literature they are referred to as Schilling.

The Courant (just different spelling for the contemporary word Kurant) basically means that the value of the coin is covered by the amount of material that it consists of (opposed to Scheidemünzen, whose material was less worth than the denomination).

Thus, you could be sure that having a 1 Schilling Courant coin, that its silver content measured up with the value of 1 Schilling.

Slightly related: Roman libra / solidus / denarius = Pfund Feinsilber / S(c)hilling / Groschen (=grossus denarius, orig. = 6 denarii)

This is a fun topic! I've been trying to collect one of each of the affordable ones myself. I picked up a 1/2 grote and a groten today.

Do you already have "Leichter Pfennig" on your list?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces78624.html

There's a website that has a list of denominations, but it includes more than just Germany.
http://www.treasurerealm.com/coinpa...rycoins.html