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A harshly cleaned coin will always be a harshly cleaned coin.
Using it as a "Pocket Piece" will eventually make it a well worn coin But at the end of the day you cannot make a silk purse out of a Sows ear
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Crack an egg into a ziplock baggie and put the coin inside. squish it around a bit and leave somewhere where the smell won't get to you (you could even leave it outside in the ground). Check back in a few months, then use the darkened coin as a pocket piece.
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I think the pocket piece idea is the best advice here.

I have a 1921D Morgan that I carry around. It is a cleaned coin like yours and is wearing down nicely.
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"I think you will agree that I have nothing to lose. The only goal is to see if it's possible to make a harshly cleaned coin more presentable."


I agree. A pack of new Saflips is worth more than that. I think the pocket piece idea may be a good path. It seems what you mean is to give the coin the appearance it would have if that polishing/cleaning had happened naturally over time so there should be more sharp dings, scratches, discoloration, toning etc.

Unless you do some crazy acid bathing, it will always be worth melt so there's nothing to lose. Maybe a combination of everything you mentioned and suggestions?

It must happen in a more natural way though, so an environment that creates random abrasiveness coupled with light and some heat would probably provide the best (sought after) results.

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... And YES: I'm going to monkey around with this regardless of whether or not members of this forum think it's a good idea ...


May I apologize for being judgmental?

I'm fond of buying old large-format copper coins out of the bargain box, destroying their already-near-zero numismatic value with ammonia & baking soda, and presenting the grandchildren with nice, shiny Pirate Money!

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Pocket piece it or bleach and a q-tip.

Chris, I don't believe bleach was ever mentioned in our forums . Can you elaborate on this method of use ?
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Crack an egg into a ziplock baggie and put the coin inside. squish it around a bit and leave somewhere where the smell won't get to you (you could even leave it outside in the ground). Check back in a few months, then use the darkened coin as a pocket piece.

Llewellan: when I first read this I thought is was a joke. Just did a google search and now realize you weren't kidding. Thanks for the tip. I'm going to do more homework on it.
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Yep the egg has plenty of sulfurous compounds that upon decomposition will produce hydrogen sulfide gas. This readily reacts with silver to form silver sulfide, which is a black film commonly referred to as tarnish.

My thinking was if you leave it in a bag for a really long time (i.e. months), the coin will end up being really black all over, which should address some problems others have reported with uneven artificial toning from sulfur. When you retrieve the coin, if you use it as a pocket piece it might take on a possibly pleasing circulation cameo appearance.

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Should the eggs be cage-free?
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Should the eggs be cage-free?


Based on my very thorough studies, only organic.
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It is late night 1/23/17. After my original post, the following day I scooped it out of the ground with the mud and put it into one of my food prep containers. No need to have it lost in the yard. I'm noticing a darker coloring on both sides of the coin. Most notably a darkening around some of the devices on the obverse-mainly on liberty's chin and neck.

I need votes. Do I give it the stinky egg treatment or submerge it back into the soil container?

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Why not? I say try the eggs.
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I'm noticing a darker coloring on both sides of the coin. Most notably a darkening around some of the devices on the obverse-mainly on liberty's chin and neck.


The darkening around the devices is probably dirt build-up from the soil you put it in.

I still say put it in your pocket.

Here is the latest image of mine as of 1/1/17. I have been carrying it around for about a year now.

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Why not? I say try the eggs.


Last I checked Walmart doesn't sell hazmat suits.

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The egg treatment, like the baked potato treatment will produce a color that does not follow the laws of naturally toned chromatics, such as elevation variability. If you want to tone the coin naturally, you will have to use H2S gas, which can be generated by an open jar of sulfur in the same closed space as the coin. 6 months and you should see some nice colors. The surfaces will still be polished, but there will be toning.
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