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Drachm Alexander (Teos) - Is There Something Wrong With This Coin?

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 Posted 01/15/2017  12:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone!
This is a newbie question:

I am concerned with the reverse image of this coin.
The center spot with rough edges, which looks darker than the rest and a crust over Zeus arm und belly.

How does this look, in your experience?
Does this coin also look artificially toned?

Thanks again for your help,
Here the specs:

Silver drachm in the name of Alexander III
Teos mint
4.10 g.
Price 2265 (Price Id reference, not the price :P, just kidding)

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 Posted 01/15/2017  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For comparison, here's a similar reverse from another Price 2265...same die?

In my opinion the OP coin is fine. It appears to have some lamination issues in the reverse center, with some surface silver having been pulled away. I don't know if the toning is "enhanced" - but it looks nice.

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By the way, I will add that I see your coin is ex-Dr. Busso Peus Nachfolger (I spotted it online). Good dealer who I've also purchased from.
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01/15/2017 1:50 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2017  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow... this forum is amazing :)
Bob, thanks a lot for your observations and such a quick reply.

I have played a bit with an image editor and the reverse seems to match the sample you posted (Although your coin is in better condition)

How can someone (again a newbie question) distinguish lamination from silver plating? Because of the layer thickness itself?
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01/15/2017 2:46 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2017  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
How can someone (again a newbie question) distinguish lamination from silver plating? Because of the layer thickness itself?


I'm certainly no authority on this stuff. I do know this very question you pose has been asked many times before by collectors who were trying to determine whether their coins were fourees or not. So, obviously, it's sometimes difficult to distinguish between the two.

If we're talking about a silver coin, the simple answer is to look at the metal that is exposed from the coin's interior. If it is a base metal, then the silver was a plating and the coin is a fouree. If the interior is of the same material, then you're likely dealing with a lamination defect (which I've also seen referred to as "delamination").

Sometimes it is easy to see that the interior is of the same metal (these two are from Forum's discussion board):

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(Gruesome delamination above, demonstrating that thick layers can break away...I suspect internal crystallization here, followed by someone dropping/bumping the coin - but I've read that delamination more typically results from impurities in the planchet from which the coin was struck)

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But in the case of a deeply toned silver coin, where both interior and exterior are dark, I can imagine it might be difficult to ascertain.

Here's a billon tet of mine with some major lamination issues, and perhaps some attempted repairs done at some point in its history. Ugly situation, but from an important collection...and, in any event, even our ugly children deserve our love:

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01/15/2017 3:30 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2017  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephrg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin weight is right for a drachm of this type. A silver plated coin would be lighter by about 1 gram. Joseph
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 Posted 01/15/2017  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the coin is genuine. I wondering if the darker area in the center reverse is a repair to a worse lamination issue?
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 Posted 01/16/2017  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob is too efficient... thanks for the info Bob...

Glad to learn that your coin is correct... congrats, an Alex III drachm was my first ancient coin, so I have some affection for them.

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 Posted 01/16/2017  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot guys for your detailed answers and quality feedback!
I actually learned something... and why not? I must say I also feel relieved :)


Best!
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