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Help With Ancient Roman Or Provincial Coin

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 Posted 01/24/2017  2:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ctlaltdelete to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, all. I need help identifying this coin. Best I can tell, it's of the Emperor Nero, but I'm getting pretty well stuck getting any further. Anyone recognize what this is?

Thanks,

Ron

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 Posted 01/24/2017  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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The coin appears to be an AR (silver) tetradrachm of Nero from the Antioch mint. Reference RPC 4188.
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 Posted 01/24/2017  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ctlaltdelete to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, echizento. That was fast! Knew someone here would have an idea. Found this in a lot of vintage pins and buttons from an estate sale. I don't think it's a fake. Assuming it isn't, given the condition, got a rough ballpark what it might be worth?
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 Posted 01/24/2017  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If possible could you take a picture of the edge? These coins are faked and yours is a bit rough so an edge picture might help determine if real or not. Assuming your coin is genuine here are examples for sale on Vcoins. https://www.vcoins.com/en/Search.as...signed=False
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 Posted 01/24/2017  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi ctlaltdelete,

Unfortunately your coin is a poorly made modern cast fake.

Soft soapy looking surfaces, fake patina, and likely the edges have been filed down to hide the casting seam.

Here is another fake of this coin with matching dies.
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 Posted 01/24/2017  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ctlaltdelete to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a picture of the sides, turning a quarter turn with each...Also a couple more clearer pictures. Nice to know for certain this is a fake before I unwittingly tried to sell it!




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 Posted 01/24/2017  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a caste fake and thank you for doing your due diligence prior to listing it for sale.
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I agree with Biancasdad.
I would have made almost exactly the same comments.

Normally, when an ancient coin has been struck, there are small radial cracks. When examining inside the cracks with a 10x loupe, obvious metal splitting stress can be observed. This sort of stress detail has very sharp surfaces inside the crack, which is impossible to be reproduced with any type of casting (even centrifugal pressure casting), simply because with casting, the metal is not under splitting stress inside the crack.

Cast coins do not show this type of splitting tensile metal stress inside the crack.

I maintain a reasonably extensive collection of fake ancient coins, just to be familiar with the products of various faking methods.
Almost all of my fake ancient coins have come in public auction job lots, where the lot has specifically and intentionally been described as a fake coin lot.
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 Posted 01/24/2017  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ctlaltdelete to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome and thank you for all your replies. Fakes are a problem in my hobby, too (vintage baseball cards). In this case, I, fortunately, didn't get ripped off as it was found in a bag of junk that cost next to nothing! I guess it's off to the silver scrapper with this one!


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 Posted 01/24/2017  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ctlaltdelete, first welcome to CCF. Second, that is a bummer about the fake coin. By the way, thank you for having a good attitude about this. So many times, we get someone who breezes in here with an obvious fake and then takes offence when we try to educate them about what they actually have. Finally, I hope that your piece is at least a silver alloy so you get something in return.


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 Posted 01/24/2017  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was afraid it wasn't genuine.
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