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I'm Looking To Buy This GSA Dollar On Ebay. Die Crack Or Scratch?

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Does MS 63 sound right on the grade?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/35196349746...parms=gh1g=I351963497465.N35.S2.R8.TR8
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It's damaged beyond the current bid. Pass, there's plenty of good examples out there.
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MS details, wow, the bidders probably didn't even look at the reverse. Pass.
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So that is a scratch, not a die crack?
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WOW... A major pass... That reverse is messed up indeed
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It's terribly damaged across both fields and devices. It's not a crack. I'd pass on this offering. The '82 CC in the GSA hard pack isn't very rare and a nice MS-63 to 64 can be obtained for $200 bucks if you're diligent. Good luck.
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I understand why no one has sent it in for grading. That's unusual for a gsa. Maybe a scorned wife got ahold of it.
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So that is a scratch, not a die crack?


Definitely not a die crack. And I think calling it a scratch would be an understatement.
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Notice the GSA holder does not say "uncirculated" but the COA does say uncirculated? The seller or someone before the current owner added it as bait.
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I'm tentatively calling that a die crack on the reverse.
IF it is that coin will probably get an MS-62.
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So that is a scratch, not a die crack?


A scratch goes down into the surface of the coin. A die break is raised above the surface of the coin.Sometimes you need a strong glass to tell the difference, but that is the difference.

Like at it this way. A die crack is a fissure in the die. When the coin is struck the metal flows into that fissure and creates a raised area on the coin. A scratch is a mark that goes into the surface of the coin.

Sometimes a deep scratch can resemble a die crack. The metal that is pushed up from the bottom of crack is raised like a crack. The metal has to go somewhere. Still you need to look for the ditch. In fact it's like ditch that has been dug. You have channel and the metal that used to fill it.

I hope that I have not totally confused you.
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Notice the GSA holder does not say "uncirculated" but the COA does say uncirculated? The seller or someone before the current owner added it as bait.


Some collectors don't realize it, but the GSA holders come with "UNCIRCULATED" on them and without it. The story I heard was that the GSA hired a bunch of college kids to the grading and gave them a crash course. The coins that had too many marks, obvious wear or toning ended up in the "plain" holders. The "UNCIRCULATED" pieces were marked as such.

Some of the plain holder pieces are Mint State. A lot of them have been cracked out. This piece is a no grade cull because of the huge scratch on the reverse.

This seller is trying to pull a fast one. He is hiding the scratched reverse in a back photo and as was mentioned changed the COA. As some people say, "Run Forest, run!"
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Yes when first looking at it I saw a ms63 obverse, when I saw the reverse I knew immediately it was a huge scratch that would immediately warrant a details grade. I also noticed it was not in a uncirculated holder as well. As bill jones stated there are unc examples that are toned or low ms in regular holders. Considering this date is one of the 3 most common GSA Morgan's 82-83-84 I'd wait for a better example. There are plenty of 82 CC GSA holders out there and are graded. You can get a GSA 63 for between $200-$260. Run away from this piece.
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Buy the coin not the holder.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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