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1798 Draped Bust Dollar

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This was on the bay - buy it now for $1,600. I am looking for an XF40 or better example. The seller described it as EF, but priced it like it was F12. It is a raw coin.

I was really considering pulling the trigger even though I thought it was VF30-35, and below my target grade. I was thinking about it and someone else pulled the trigger before I did and it was gone.

What are your thoughts on grade and should I have pulled the trigger right away?

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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01/29/2017 9:46 pm
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 Posted 01/29/2017  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin has extensive damage to the obverse rims and in the left field to the right of and around S1-S3, a scratched face, and the reverse has rim damage + a hole at the top at TE in STATES. There are no edge shots to check for rim filing, and the overall appearance of the coin is not very reassuring.

I think this is a details/problem coin and the price it sold for is probably average to slightly high for an uncertified example with some obvious issues.
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01/29/2017 9:57 pm
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I don't like the color balance of the images. They have likely been played with and don't represent the natural color. That said it appears to be a lot of coin for 16 bills but there's something questionable about it. The 9 & 8 in the date aren't positioned correctly and are oddly shaped for a pointed 9 with 4 vertical lines. I would have passed too.
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I have to hand it to you NS, you've got a brass pair. I would never monkey around with raw coins on ebay.
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I got a certified Au Capped Bust quarter on the bay for $303.
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I'm still a newb, but I believe in learning, preparing, planning, acting and sometimes making mistakes. Gotta learn to walk on your own some time. All of you here have helped a lot. Thank you.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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Shout outs to Numismatic Student!
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Thanks Barberman. I saw the coin. It looks like a good value based on the certified grade, but the surfaces don't look original to me. Also, the "pluribus" in the motto seems half washed out. What do you think caused that?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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01/29/2017 11:00 pm
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The long beach show is rapidly approaching. There are multiple opportunities to fill holes in your type set.
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Yes. And the Baltimore Whitman Show. Plenty of opportunities.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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Which coin N? I am swimming in them!
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Sorry. I was looking at a 1829 bust half graded by NGC au55 for $303. Thought it was a quarter. Can you send me a link to the listing you were referring to? Thanks.

I do need a Capped Bust quarter and you seem to be a specialist.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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01/29/2017 11:09 pm
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 Posted 01/29/2017  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BarberMan2016 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the thread I was metioning

http://goccf.com/t/277399
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I thought you meant to say you had a coin for sale now on the bay. Sorry for the confusion. I thought that coin was raw. Is it now certified? If so, which service did you use and what grade did it get?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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PCGS au50
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Check my previous post on the 1911 Barber Proof I gobbled up the proof! Should I get the CBQ?
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