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Why Did This 1921 Peace Dollar Grade "Cleaning - Details"?

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I'm still trying to get better at grading. I'm kind of scratching my head on this one. I see the obvious gash under the eye and I do see some VERY minor hairline scratches on the observe. If I didn't see the slab for myself I would have thought a nice strike "MS62". Why did this grade details for cleaning? What am I missing? Did this get graded by someone in a bad mood?

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Beats me - certainly not very obvious from these pics. Nice looking example, great strike.
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The spikes on the crown (sorry if that isn't the right terminology) look a bit "shiny", other than that I don't know!
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What is the "cleaned" description ?
As sometimes they will add "Polished" to the description.
From those images it appears that the high points in the hair on the obverse have been lightly "Buffed"
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It graded "PCGS Genuine - Genuine UNC Details (92 - Cleaned)". The main reason I wanted it was due to the nice strike. I'm trying to get better at identifying a "Good strike" 1921. Hopefully there's not more wrong with it. If it truly just the crown being lightly buffed, I think I can live with it (although I don't like seeing "Cleaned" on the slab)!
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It has turned out to be a pity that this one was graded.
I agree that the amount of cleaning (if any), is negligible.
"Cleaning details" in this case unfairly detracts from it's value.
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As long as you like the coin that's all that really counts.
I have a Canberra Florin that has been polished in a PCGS slab and even though it has been polished and ruined numismatically it has a great strike an it is not unpleasant to look at.
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Think dipped.
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I'd crack it and resubmit to NGC. This looks super to me.
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buy it at a details price and crack it out.
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I see no reason by those photos for a 'cleaned' verdict ... do not even see the light hairlines that you describe on the reverse.

No clue why?

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I don't know much about Peace dollars but I believe this is the highly sort after high relief 1921 . I too cannot understand why this would be a details ( cleaned coin ).
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You can see natural tone at the base of the rays on the reverse, and at the base of the crown spines on the obverse.

But it's a nice strike on the hair. Here's as close as I've gotten to a full strike 1921.

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Same coin, with crosslighting to see the hair detail.

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I've yet to see one where that little dagger of hair down on the cheek is full....yet I've seen MS65's that are so flat struck that it isn't even visible.
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The OP's coin is gorgeous! The luster looks weird on the face (maybe the source of the "cleaning"?), but other than that, she is a perfect type coin. Had I the money, she'd be mine in an instant, especially at a "details" price.
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I'm thinking the coin has been overly dipped and stripped. Not that there would be any hairlines visible... just a lackluster, yet "shiny" appearance is what I'm seeing.

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Has it been wiped perhaps?
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