I want to thank everyone for the input on this thread ! If I sounded frustrated it was not towards any of you it was frustration with myself for not being able to convey what I was seeing to you. I do value the knowledge that is in these replies . I still wonder what could pile up the material like this if it could be a chip, I learned from another thread that dents and feeder finger gouges are usually at the rim . This is another mystery I may never know the answer to but it was fun doing the forensics ! Thanks again !