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1858 Flying Eagle Cent Ll

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This is a raw coin that I am considering purchasing. Your thoughts on grade and issues appreciated. Thanks.

Surface anomaly at top of obverse 12 to 1 o'clock.

1858-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Ll
1858-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Ll
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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02/12/2017 9:42 pm
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I would place the grade at AU-50 BN. I don't see any major problems other than the surface anomaly that almost looks to be a miniature die crack.

I could see myself paying around $200-220 for it.
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Thanks Matt. That is very helpful. And welcome to the CCF!
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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XF40 obverse, VF35 reverse, details, cleaned/hairlined, retoned. Planchet flaw (not die crack). Gouge left of "C" in CENT on the reverse.
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Beautiful! Aside from the planchet acne I see no problems unacceptable to me. Definite AU50 at least!

I could see spending a few guineas on it.
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Beautiful coin, nice strike AU 55-58
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AU-55
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Yes, the sharply struck eagle on the obverse is the best feature imo. Thanks to all for sharing your thoughts.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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Aside from some minor issues , I'll say AU-53 .
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this is a pretty nice FE Cent. I think it makes AU55. I would absolutely put this one in my collection.
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Quote:
Gouge left of "C" in CENT on the reverse.


Unless you're seeing something else that's part of the design.
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It looks like an AU-55 or 58 depending upon the amount of luster. The coin is toned and some people don't like that. They look for the white ones. Just make sure it's ORIGINAL white and something that came out of the bottle or brush.
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AU-58, beautiful example.
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Large Letters High Leaves Reverse. Nice coin for sure! AU-53. Either lamination or die crack 12:00 obverse. Not an issue.
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You're right, 52Raymo. Apologies. I shouldn't post late at night! I still don't know why everyone thinks this is a high AU coin though, to me, the breast feathers need more definition and the reverse leaves are too flat for a high AU grade. But then again, I am not exactly good at grading Eagles...
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Some pictures for comparison:

Subject coin:
1858-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Ll

PCGS XF45 CAC
1858-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Ll

PCGS AU58 CAC
1858-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Ll
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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