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 Posted 02/16/2017  1:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ms22tq to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi! I just bought a 10 Lepta 1979 A, the seller said its an original but I think it might be a copy. My problem with this coin is that it is 3.00mm but original should be 30.3mm. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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02/16/2017 5:20 pm
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 Posted 02/16/2017  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm guessing the +/- 1% diameter difference is well within tolerance but I'll defer to the experts.
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A .3mm difference in diameter is nothing to be worried about. The expansion of the metal from the striking could be the result of that. However, this is a key date, and a pricey one at that, so worries of it being a counterfeit are justified if you did pay a FMV price. I see some die cracks on the obverse which is a great place to check for authenticity. Check past auctions of certified examples of this date and see if you can find one with the same die cracks. I would do some more research on it before you start demanding money back because of a miniscule difference in diameter.
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I note that this coin has some significant value in VF and better grades.
Have a look at the edge for some sort of tooling to reduce the diameter slightly. If genuine, that will reduce it's value significantly.

Modern struck coins (of which this in an example), are constricted within a collar during the striking process.
Unless there is a variation in the collar diameter, there should be almost no toleration at all for coin diameter.

That leads to the possibility for coin forgery or coin fakery.
If it is high quality pressure cast, the reduction in diameter is quite believable due to metal shrinkage as the metal cools.
Centrifugal pressure casting can and does yield high quality fakes, with all details rendered quite accurately, and almost total absence of casting bubbles.

I am not saying that this coin IS fake, but that possibility should be considered seriously.

XRF testing against known genuine example should help to confirm, either way.

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02/16/2017 5:28 pm
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 Posted 02/17/2017  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ms22tq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for the information. It has been helpful and educating.
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 Posted 02/17/2017  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimmy1972 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a little smaller than a quarter. But I found it going through a bunch of old foreign coins that I put it away. I remember getting it in the first grade and I'm 44 years old now. Just brought back memories of a school project I used it for. The only marking on it is a small M on it. Just was curious. Thank you for your help. I just got back into collecting again. I was a Marine for 4 years and I have accumulated alot of coins from all the places I've been. Alot of the coins are European pre Euro. Just brings back a bunch of great memories. Even found old Bridge tokens I squirreled away.
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