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1762 8 Reales - Mexico. Is It Genuine?

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 Posted 02/21/2017  12:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add elzorch to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is one of the many coins passed down to me from my father. Unfortunately he was very interested in counterfeits. Most were easy to distinguish, but this one has me a little worried. The coin weighs 26.6 grams and the diameter is just over 38mm. What do you guys think?

1762-8-Reales---Mexico.-Is-It-Genuine?

1762-8-Reales---Mexico.-Is-It-Genuine?

1762-8-Reales---Mexico.-Is-It-Genuine?

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1762-8-Reales---Mexico.-Is-It-Genuine?

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 Posted 02/21/2017  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm seeing a genuine ("regal") specimen with a touch of environmental effects. That 26.6g figure is perfectly commensurate to the wear, and the diameter is about right for this period of Mex 8R - not huge wide flans for those 1760s dates.

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Unfortunately he was very interested in counterfeits. Most were easy to distinguish...

Meaning what exactly? Did Pops have a soft spot for tourist trinket "tribute" replicas... OR are we talking "contemporary counterfeit" pieces from the time the imitated coinage circulated, intended to pass as fake money?
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He was interested in mainly the Chinese copies of coins, usually US coins. He passed away in 2011, and I remember he would show me the fake silver dollars he bought, laughing about how terrible they were. But then towards the end he really seemed worried about how good the quiality of the fakes was getting.
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 Posted 02/21/2017  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mike9999999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there will always be a way to distinguish them, it just takes patience
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elzorch I tend to agree with realeswatcher that the coin here looks genuine. I do not see wear that would account for over 0.4 grams of weight loss so the coin must have been just slightly underweight to begin with. The fine parallel surface cracks appear to be due to cold lamination before the coin was struck.

I would love to see more of the edge design in particular just to the right of where the first picture becomes distorted. The segment aligned with the E in REX seems very odd and I can not see any segments to the right of that point.

There should be two overlaps in the edge design that are oriented 180 degrees apart.

I would also suggest density testing and XRF to confirm the alloy and the presence of gold as a trace contaminant.

Regarding counterfeits and forgeries, I share your father's interest. I specialize in contemporary circulating counterfeits but I also own a great many numismatic forgeries. I follow the lead of Charles Larson who divides fakes into two different categories - Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits (CCC) and Numismatic Forgeries (NF) because the difference is critical to most collectors of fakes. A CCC was made to circulate alongside a genuine coin in circulation whereas a NF was made to defraud collectors. Both are frauds but the reasons they were made are different. Collectors tend to pay more for CCC types than NF types.

Can you show some of your father's fake collection?

I would be interested to see if he had any new and interesting issues.
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