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I've looked at this listing a couple of times and wondered how the 8th pic was created. It is a 1961-d LMC RPM-001 D over Horizontal D. It seems impossible to me to be able to have a completely isolated image of the horizontal D.

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If you move your mouse over the thumbnails for the 8th and 9th images, looks like someone played with photoshop and removed part of the top D and the shading.
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I assumed it was done with editing software but I'm not so sure because I don't know much in this area. It looks more like a penetrating radar image or something that can separate layers, but that wouldn't make sense because there shouldn't be any "layers" in the metal from an RPM die, especially on a pre-'82 cent.

I am also wondering if anyone is familiar with the software being used. I think the screenshots there should provide enough info?

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I made this rotated mintmark in Paint

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If only that were an actual thing! But, it's very easy to tell you altered it. The curves looks like the pyramids. I'm happy you're interested though.

I will probably be proven wrong but, that said, I am fairly adept at seeing altered images. That's why the listing's pics confound me. It makes sense, I don't see alteration, but I don't know if that image of the horizontal D is even possible.

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Here are the images in question:

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See the pyramids (your term) in the ebay picture that I circled in red

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Yes, I see them. I guess I should call it pixelization. Your altered image had a disparity in pixilization. This certainly is not out of the realm of digital manipulation. I'm wondering how the image of the underlying "D" is even possible at at all.

The die may have been repunched but the coin will reflect the aggregate. Being able to isolate the two MM punches into separate images on the coin seems utterly impossible to me.
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Looking at the horizontal D closely,you can see the common identical parts, taken from the vertical D, and the small grey area used to fill in the top left of the horizontal D.it's just some fancy pic editing.
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I appreciate the seller trying to illustrate the point of the horizontal "D" but editing an image (by whatever means) just feels wrong to me. Adding arrows is one thing. Removing elements is another -- it sets a bad precedent in my book. But at least they call out that they are edited images.
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Seems OK to edit in that way in order to instruct buyers on how to interpret the coin, long as it is stated that the images have been edited.
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