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1806 Half Cent You Vs Old PCI

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Here's an old green label PCI slab what do you think and what do you think PCI gave her. Coin is a touch lighter in color in hand.

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XF-45 ?
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VF details, corrosion, environmental damage.
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I have such a hard time shooting copper, these two may be better to grade from, not saying that either of you are wrong :)

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And there are scratches on the slab from being polished any lines you see are on the slab
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Just pointing out that clicking on the pictures takes you to your photobucket which shows all your pictures.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Yeah I realize that....not sure if there is a way around that when using pb
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VF-30, bit concerned about possible ED.
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I'd say that "old PCI" might have called it VF-25. The surfaces and color are not good on this piece. It is dark and porous and for that reason the net grade is somewhere in the Good-Very Good range.

People rave about how they cracked coins out of "old PCI holders," and sent them to PCGS to got terrific upgrades. That was probably true. My experience with "old PCI" was that the grades were very inconsistent. There were coins that were under graded and more than an few that were over graded.

At any rate the 1806 Small 6, Stemless (C-1) Half Cent is the second most common early Half Cent, second only to the 1804, Plain 4 Stemless Half Cent. The coins share a common reverse die. That old die was one of the toughest dies in the first U.S. Mint. It survived to strike the most common varieties of the 1804, 1805 and 1806 Half Cents. The mint employees should have held a funeral for it when it finally gave up the ghost in 1806.
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VF25 details, damaged/possibly repaired left of bust. Porous and cleaned. I agree w/bill's assessment.

PCI, for what it's worth, had some real winners, but they had more their share of "what were they thinking?" as well. Looking past the slab at the coin has never been bad advice, yes? :)
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I was thinking VF-35.
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obverse VF25. reverse VF30. could be PMD left of bust as paralyse suggested if something is going on there. hard to tell with these pics. again there could be porosity and/or corrosion on the surfaces but the pics are not good enough to state that for certain.
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VF-25
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This one also suffered from my inability to shoot copper accurately. In hand its got a nice chocolate color, when I shoot a picture to show the color the lighting washes out the detail....one of these days I'll be able to take quality pictures ha.

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I thought I'd revisit this one I worked on my photography set up. The mark to the left is a spot on the slab. Definitely better images this time around

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