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Dateless Buffalo Nickel - Possible 1913 Type 1?

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I came across this dateless Buffalo, and I'm thinking it might be a 1913 type 1. It's fairly worn, and the date is completely gone on the obverse. The reverse also has some wear, but it seems like raised ground to me. A small bit of the inscription "Five Cents" is still visible, but I see no indication of the recessed area protected that on other Buffalos.

Is it possibly a 1913 type 1?
Is it normal for the wear to bring the relief down to the point that the ground appears uniform (and thus raised)?

Thanks for the opinions!

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No, don't think so...here's a 13S:


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Note the area left of FIVE, raised too much


Yours is a candidate to try to raise the date, soak in a 50%/50% solution of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide for 6-12 hours, checking every 4 to see what's happening.

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Ahh, now that you point out the difference I can see it.

It's be heard about the vinegar treatment, but I'm hesitant. I've got probably 15 or so dateless Buffalos. Any advice on other things to look for before vinegar treating? I worry about damaging an otherwise identifiable (and possibly valuable) example.
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Definitely a 1913 Type 1, no question about it. I recently have gone through Hundreds of dateless Buffalo nickels, and that is a 1913 Type 1. If you need 101% clarification, put acid on it.

Good find!
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Note how the wear on your Buffalo nickel starts at the top.

On type 2s the wear will start at the bottom.

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Yes there are, but I don't know exactly, saw it on another thread hear a few months ago. Had to do with the ribbons, some differences indicates a few rarer ones, 20S I think was one. Maybe you can search the forum for it.


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I will say that it is a T1.
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I think it's a Type 1. Check out this link and compare:

https://www.PCGS.com/SetRegistry/my.../32250/32366
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It is definitely a type 1.
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to the CCF!
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Just for another comparison, here is a very worn dateless Type 2 I have. As coinlover mentioned the wear starts more at the bottom but the recess is still clearly visibly above "FIVE CEN."

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 Posted 03/09/2017  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hunter611 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Curious question. When did these type of varieties become known? Thanks
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Well, in 1913, they started the Buffalo nickel series with the buffalo on the mound (note OPs coin) and later on in 1913, they switched it to a flat ground (spruetts coin) until 1938, when they stopped making the Buffalo nickel.
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 Posted 03/10/2017  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a Type 1.

Do not soak it in vinegar as there is no point as we already know it is a 1913 Type 1.
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The contour of the ground confirms it as a Variety One.
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