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Germany
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are we talking about 1,5, 10 and 25 cents zinc coins? I ask you this because I´m not sure these coins were minted by Third Reich.
These Dutch zinc coins were made in the Netherlands during the German occupation. And no, Nazi Germany's coins were of course not radically different from previous issues, just like the whole "nazification" was a process rather than a change from one day to the other. The early nazi pfennig coins had, by and large, the same diameters and alloys as the Weimar coins. And the swastika as a central, dominant symbol on coins did not appear until 1936. For German Reich circulation coins, the Garrison Church issues may have been novelties as far as the style is concerned. But the Goethe coin (1932, last Weimar Republic commem) is kind of similar: poet's bust only, with just the six letters of his last name below ... Christian |
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Spain
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Oh, I see a debate. quote:
But the Goethe coin (1932, last Weimar Republic commem) is kind of similar: poet's bust only, with just the six letters of his last name below
Yes, the poet´s bust only and his name, but the style is different. Hindenburg´s head fills all the surface of the coin, and his features are very hard. And the main difference is that Hindenburg was a soldier, a warrior. Nazis want to legitimize their power, and they chose Hindenburg as a harmless symbol (Hindenburg died in 1934). Hindenburg´s bust had appeared in other coins in Weimar Republic, but then, he was the head of the Republic. Now he is the warrior. So, things was changing now. quote:
BUT at the same time, they are very definately commemoratives of the 'Day of Potsdam' and the Garison Church is the most obvious image to use!
Zaggy, you are right. But the things that "can" appear in a coin depend on the date we talk about. These days, even Lady di can appear in a coin, but in 1900´s the coins designs were much more homogeneous. For example, as far as I know, the first "not in a shield" animal that appeared in a coin was a bee, in Italian 10 Centesimi (1919). Now, animals in coins are very common. So, the really new in the Postdam church coin is the design, and the "idea" of a building in a coin. Well, as you can see, all these things are personal opinions, but the interesting thing is how in Europe the political situation has influence in coins. |
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Germany
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Errm, how did Hindenburg get in here?  The Goethe pieces I mentioned because they are similar in style (OK, just vaguely, with regard to the design elements used) in style to the Garrison Church coins. Now the Hindenburg coins are much more traditional: big head in the middle, inscription that goes along the rim. Hindenburg being shown on some of Nazi Germany's coins made sense because he was the president of the Reich until he died: First he was the head of state in a republic that he was not really a convinced supporter of, then in Jan-1933 he appointed Hitler (who he did not like much) the new chancellor. Sure, the latter was basically not his idea, but we need to keep in mind that the nazi regime was not established as a result of a military coup and not of a democratic election either. So Hindenburg as the head of state was an important formal link between the Weimar Republic and the „Third Reich". Guess that was why his effigy appeared on the 5 RM coin (from Nazi Germany but without any swastikas) and then stayed on the 2 and 5 RM coins (with swastika) for several years, until they stopped minting them in 1939. The Garrison Church coins are quite appealing - especially the one without the 21 March date - for the reasons you mentioned. I like that side not because the church was understood and used as a symbol of Prussian militarism (until its ruins were torn down in the 1960s) but because of the detailed depiction of the tower as the sole object on that side ... Christian |
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Australia
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Lets not forget that to the people of Germany, Hindenburg was very highly regarded; a Hero of the Great War and the conflicts of the late 1800's...
Yes Hitler didnt like him and Hindenburg didnt like Hitler, but Hitler and the NSDAP needed something to further legitimise their claim to power and what can be more legitimising to a party formed by WW1 Veterans than THE Military Hero and current Reichspräsident?
As for the Nazi rise to power, on the whole, they just manipulated the system, like many other politicians before and after. Sure at times they used force but one must put things into context; Germany was recovering from the Great Depression and what was essentially a civil war. The communist fundamentalists werent afraid of getting involved in the odd dust up. And if I remember right, the Weimar Governments backed the NSDAP in the late 1920's/early 1930's against their opponents!
And I have just erased another 40-50 lines, being that I dont want to turn this into a political debate! :)
But yeah, to a Party like the NSDAP, who wanted to appear as the legitimate, modern day, defenders of Germanic Culture, etc, tradition was a big thing! So it is rather logical and fairly easy to note that a lot of the coin designs drew heavily from the pre-WW1 'Kaiser-reichs' period. Prime example, the 1 Reichsmark!
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New Member
United States
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There is this guy on ebay that sells pfennigs with eagle and swastikas for sometime now. Look up theleato on ebay |
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