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If you were presented with the following choice:
Let's say the year is a 1944 coin, perhaps a 5c, 10c or a 25c, what do you say has the higher value:
an ms65 with a heavy cameo or
an ms66 with a cameo?
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I would guess the 65 with Heavy Cameo would be more expensive on average as the market/demand for those designations is very high driving the price up. Plus a Heavy Cameo has such beautiful eye appeal.
But that's just my opinion - there are exceptions where a 65 heavy cameo will be in the thousands of dollars and a
66RD can fetch 10,000's of dollars.
Edited by Mark1959
03/30/2017 6:59 pm
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Almost always the heavy cameo.
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Nickel wise, the HCam in a heart beat, so hard to find them and in ms65 that is a great find! They hold a good premium and are worth more than the ms66 counterparts depending on the eye appeal :)
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A 66 has to be better or it wouldn't be a 66 along as the grading is equal
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John, he is talking about value not grade :)
Heavy cameos are sometimes much more rare than plain ms66's
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Yes, grade goes with value, a 66 is normally much rarer than a 65 having heavy cameo or a 66 cameo to me means very little
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I personally would choose the heavy cameo every time.
Not sure about "value".
I would guess the population of each would play into that figure.
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Just curious, what are some reasons in general why a cameo might grade higher than a heavy cameo? I had the mistaken impression the heavier the cameo, the higher the grade.
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Any registry set player would put a higher value on the MS-66 coin...
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That's exactly the point, you could call the 65 extra heavy cameo but it doesn't make it to a 66 cameo, there are some minor abrasions or wear to knock it down one grade, this difference is normally worth thousands to tens of thousands.
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Thanks John, makes sense. The gr66 should have a higher value.
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I would still say it is based on populations because for every 100 cameos I see in the 44-45 nickels I see 1 HCam. And they are just so much nicer and I prize the ms65 HC more than my ms66 Cameos all day long :) I guess it's on preference! Different strokes for different folks
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As a general rule we just haven't seen buyers paying the premiums for Cameo/Heavy Cameo/Ultra Heavy Cameo that you saw say 5-10 years ago. I would have to say that an MS66 C will beat an MS65 HC hands down for value almost every time in the current market. There's still the odd exception or course but they are exceptions.
@wildflower - Grade and Cameo are different things. Grade is the usual sharpness/marks criteria. Cameo is the quality of the frosting on the high points (ie how far does it extend into the corner of the Queen's eye). You can see PL66 no Cameo and PL63 Ultra Heavy Cameo examples of the same coin.
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Interesting responses and I would have thought the ms66 cameo would be placed in higher esteem than the ms65 heavy cameo.
I hope everyone has fully understood my original question.
I'm not talking about higher grade, but which one has a higher value (or 'worth').
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it depends totally on which coin we are talking about..
a 1945 canadian 5 cent coin in MS-65 with a heavy cameo IMO would command near or more than a MS-66 cameo..this series however is common in higher grades and heavy cameos are tough..a MS-64 heavy cameo went for $70 or so when if I'm not mistaken, a regualr 64 can be had for $10 or so.
meanwhile..a 1963 dollar in MS-65 heavy cameo is much less valuable and desirable than a MS-66 cameo, because a 65 can be found meanwhile, unlike the previously discussed 1945 nickels, an MS-66 is rare rare rare with or without cameo.
Feel free to call me Will.
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