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 Posted 04/03/2017  06:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jimmyd13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I'm totally new to the forum and still green when it comes to collecting in general. I deal in modern coins - in fact, I deal in anything and everything that I can see a profit in. I know that will turn some of you off but might as well be honest from the outset. I also know that it's a little rude to start in with specific questions but I'm out of my depth on some number of coins and would appreciate any pointers that can be given.

So, I wanted to start with this one. It was a hunk of brown mess when I first picked it up. I have cleaned one side (had to - couldn't make out any part of it) and I have started to clean the other but I didn't want to take it too far as that side seems more damaged. I don't want to take it any further. So, can anyone identify this?



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 Posted 04/03/2017  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bears some similarities to this Maximinus I Thrax AE from Ephesus...perhaps the OP coin is another Ephesus issue with Victory inscribing a shield?:

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http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/...Cop_472v.txt


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 Posted 04/03/2017  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimmyd13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Bob! The inscriptions definitely do not match but the image on the reverse is spot on, as is the cloak fastening and the shape of the chin on the obverse. If it helps, this is a heavy bronze/copper coin - even with the damage it comes in at 14g. I'll follow your link later today to see if I can find a variation.
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 Posted 04/03/2017  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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As Bob stated it is similar to the coin he posted but the legend doesn't match and there isn't much left on the obverse to make a positive identification.
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 Posted 04/03/2017  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimmyd13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi echizento. The obverse is in a terrible condition. There are a few parts that I can make out under magnification but none of the inscription is legible and I am not taking it any further than I have with cleaning (I've had a soft nylon brush on it and a watch pick along with a little oil to loosen the dirt). In those areas that have detail, I am amazed at what you can see: there are definite fringes coming from the laurel wreath onto the forehead; the nose and chin match the profile of the coin Bob showed above.

The reverse is much better - you can clearly see that Nike is standing on a helmet but you can also see that the detail inscribed on the shield is different to the example above. The inscription doesn't match the above either, but the words do appear to be the same. I can make out the greek letters (though I don't know how I can type them into here). The first epsilon is different, but following looks like psi, epsilon, omega, , , tau, iota. On the right of the shield epsilon and omega can be made out side by side.

I've handled lots of coins dating back to the 1400s but it's a long time since I've felt a buzz like now about a coin ... there's something very different about handling something that predates Christ by a couple of hundred years (if I'm wrong on the date, tell me tomorrow ... let me enjoy my little thrill).

Perhaps you folks would like to see some of the other coins I haven't started to research yet? There's quite a lot of them.
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 Posted 04/03/2017  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimmyd13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a small selection of the coins that I picked up at the weekend ... I can identify one jeton and have an idea of where to start with some of the Roman ones but any and all pointers will be gladly accepted, even if it's just the name of a website or book.


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High resolution images can be found here: (argh! seems I can't link to imgur from here?) Well, hi-res images are available if needed.

Thanks in advance!
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 Posted 04/03/2017  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jimmyd123, first welcome to CCF. Second, best practice is to post separate coins in separate threads. That will let you post appropriately sized and cropped images. It looks like you've got some interesting coins in there.
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 Posted 04/03/2017  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the 2nd pic -

Let's separate out the Roman:
From the left, top to bottom:
1st column entirely Roman
2nd column 1st coin "
3rd column 2nd coin "
4th column 2nd coin "
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 Posted 04/03/2017  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spence is right about it being much more manageable to post one or two at a time (per thread).

Having said that, the third one down in the last column - the one with the six petaled flower obverse - may be a post-medieval token from the UK. Sometimes these are uniface, sometimes they have varied sorts of reverses. Usually six petals, but sometimes three or four. Ron (echizento) posted one some time back, I recall.

For comparison:
https://finds.org.uk/images/abyard/...%20token.jpg
https://finds.org.uk/database/artef...rd/id/613711
https://finds.org.uk/database/artef...rd/id/288118
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces82277.html


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This website is the bible for Roman coins between the end of the Tetrarchy and the fall of the Western Empire:

http://www.tesorillo.com/aes/_rev/index1i.htm

I'll take a stab:

First row:
1) GLORIA EXERCITVS, two standards (lifetime of Constantine). Can't read the obverse, but it's probably Constantine.
2) Ditto, but one standard. Maybe Constantine I or II?
3) Too worn
4) Local imitation of Fallen Horseman type

Row 2:
1) Claudius II posthumous type, altar with sash
2) Claudius II posthumous type, quadrupartite altar
3) GLORIA EXERCITVS, one standard. Can't read emperor.
4) Local imitation of Fallen Horseman

Row 3:
1) Gallienus, can't make out the reverse too well.
2) Early modern English, maybe a farthing? I've seen something similar before.
3) and 4) Not sure, I'd go with lead token as Bob suggested.

Row 4:
1) Constantius II, SPES REIPVLICE
2) Not sure, but it looks prinsing
3) Jeton? Definitely not ancient.
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 Posted 04/04/2017  05:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimmyd13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You folks are seriously on form - you rock!

Yes, the last is a jeton. That's one of the few I'm familiar with.

With the 2nd coin on the third row, I've seen something similar too that I can't place. I seem to recall it's a stylised Rose of Lancaster and with the crown I'm thinking it's an early Tudor ... one of the Henry's.

I have some 200 coins in this collection which must have come from a metal detectorist. Many are utterly indistinguishable but I intend to take some photos and play with negative images to see if any detail will come out.

As for posting this group together, I didn't want to post a hundred different threads when I'm new to the forum. I'm a member of many collector forums and we are all hit, all the time, with the typical "I've just got this from my uncle/auction/car boot sale - what's it worth?". There's nothing more irritating after the first few dozen of those.

My main collection is vintage watches. I got into coins when I saw how little some really interesting things were fetching at auction and I've kept some while flipping many. When I saw this collection and the vultures circling it, I just had to buy. The poor chap selling had no idea what he had and had just sold a £180 coin for £2. I'm told that he'd sold three books of these coins earlier in the morning for £5 - and that's just criminal. I looked through the coins he had there and bought them all, giving him full value for the good coins I knew, full scrap value for the poor silver coins and adding a few pounds for the rest. He was happy and I was happy that I knew I had some room left in the price and a lot of research to do. The problem came when I realised how much research there was going to be, so I reached out to you folks.

Thank you all again and, if you're not going to get too annoyed with more posts, I'll be happy to show the collection and ask about the ones that I can't identify.
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Definitely not! Keep 'em coming.
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The poor chap selling had no idea what he had and had just sold a £180 coin for £2. I'm told that he'd sold three books of these coins earlier in the morning for £5 - and that's just criminal. I looked through the coins he had there and bought them all, giving him full value for the good coins I knew, full scrap value for the poor silver coins and adding a few pounds for the rest.


You're the kind of dealer every collecting hobby needs. I hate it when unscrupulous buyers take advantage of ignorant sellers.
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If you hang out here long enough, Jimmy, you may run into DavidUK (from London, I believe) who, like you, collects both watches and ancient coins. He has a remarkable collection of both.
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Posting one or two coins at a time is the best way to go, it makes it easier for us to ID them. You have an interesting group of coins there. The is a mix of later Roman bronzes (LRB), I see what looks like a English Half penny circa early 1700's, and a few Jetons. We enjoy see coins so please continue posting them.
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 Posted 04/04/2017  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimmyd13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jskirwin - thanks. I just believe in a little fairness and also that you reap what you sow.

@Bob L - I'm UK based too (Nottingham) so David and I might already "know" each other from other forums.
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