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Do You See Any "Machine Damage" On This Ike Dollar?

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PCGS graded my coin as "UNC Details" with "Machine Damage". I thought it would grade an MS-66 or MS-66+ and even got the True-view imaging service with it.

https://images.PCGS.com/TrueView/83143154

So what do you think? Is PCGS just being very harsh because I used the modern service and not regular, or does it really have machine damage?

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 Posted 04/11/2017  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
first off,

I had trouble with that link pix, wasn't quite clear enough when expanded to tell, circled what appears to be either MD or just the focus blur, cannot distinguish, sorry.



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are you circling what you think is machine damage? or Machine Doubling? I don't see any roller damage
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Steele, pix would not clear up when blown up, circled areas of POSSIBLE MD, but just may be angle/lighting/focus...?

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 Posted 04/11/2017  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Eh, it could be Machine Doubling, but does that details a coin? After I read OP's inquiry, I expected to see roller lines somewhere, and I see none of that.
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I have 2-3 Ikes with the same "machine damage" details grade, and I too am wondering where it is on my coins.

I also have a 1958 Jefferson nickel, that could be an MS65 FS, but it has the "machine damage" designation as well!

Ugh!
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Does PCGS have a page (somewhere) that explains the designations it gives? Is Machine Damage the same as Machine Doubling?
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PCGS is all over the board with ikes.. I have a unc details type 2 that says scratched, and I still dont know where the scratch is
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Looking at the largest image download, I am seeing some arced incuse lines through the hair above the ear. The face seems a little beat up in places, too. Again, this is with the largest image. I cannot imagine them being visible in hand without magnification.
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jbuck, that's probably it then. I don't notice the lines in hand but I can see them under magnification. In hand, it's a really nice coin.

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and yes, that is a nice Ike!
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I see the lines and hits jbuck mentioned under the max image. I still don't understand how that details a coin. Why don't the hits and marks just lower the grade to me 60-62? What about something like this? It has hits and marks and still straight graded.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-D-IKE-...AOSwpkFY5Eic

Nice looking coin, sorry for your bad luck with the grade!
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I ran across this coin on ebay, and I too was wondering where the damage was located. I see what jbuck is seeing with the hair. It looks rough. I have a 73-S that has similar damage to the hair area, but it graded clean. It's one nasty gash, and it looks like the eyebrow took a hit too.



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- jbuck is glad he didn't buy this from me. Can't blame him either.
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I remember that one.


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I still don't understand how that details a coin. Why don't the hits and marks just lower the grade to me 60-62?
Yes, I think a hit is a hit. It should have just lowered the grade, not been given details. Oh well.
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awesome looking coin,PCGS could have done a better job at grading, I think.
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