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Double Eagle 1927

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 Posted 12/08/2005  08:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Christoph123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi!
How would you grade this coin?
Thank you.

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 Posted 12/08/2005  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am undecided so I asked my master what he thinks
MS63 or whether the slide
would slide (pun) it all the way into the AU58 category
There is a strange virtical slide on the eagleside
The top of the feathers slide I can understand but the absence of end of the feathers slide and the presence of vertical slide makes it kind of uncommon especially since the effigy side has no slide on the left knee
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 Posted 12/09/2005  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the answer of my american friend and mentor

This is an odd one. I see no slide on the typical high points at all, yet on the sun (reverse)
and the rock beneath the foot (obverse) there is an unusual amount of friction.
To see this yet no slide on her face, well - I don't know what to make of it. If it were me I'd give
it an MS63.
In person it make look a little better or a little worse, I'm just not sure.
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 Posted 12/13/2005  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why MS63? would not the fairly major gouge below the date and the seven plus nicks on the Eagle/rays put it in the MS60 range or am I just being to harsh?
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 Posted 12/13/2005  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by nohope587

Why MS63? would not the fairly major gouge below the date and the seven plus nicks on the Eagle/rays put it in the MS60 range or am I just being to harsh?



The fields have very little friction
There is only some slide on the eagle feathers
An MS 60 would have from two to any number of really mayor bagmarks
on the really intresting parts and probably rimdamage

In other words if you put a number of these coins in a linen bag and rattle them around the postal system for 500 miles what comes out would still be MS 60 by definition

So MS60 is mintstate but ugly
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 Posted 12/13/2005  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now look at the slide this MS62 took on face , breast and left leg
And look at the amount of background friction
But because of the absense of mayor bagmarks and edgerim digs it still makes 62


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 Posted 12/15/2005  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin just came back as an NGC MS 63
We were both agreeably surprised

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quote:
Originally posted by nohope587

Why MS63? would not the fairly major gouge below the date and the seven plus nicks on the Eagle/rays put it in the MS60 range or am I just being to harsh?



It always turns out I am allready to harsh
So yes I think you are super harsh
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 Posted 12/15/2005  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the education I found it very informative. I will try to adjust mey Very harsh views and moderate them a little when trying to grade.
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 Posted 12/15/2005  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In order not to be disappointed we learned to grade fairly well calibrated against NGC but even so we are allways one or two grades below what professionals will give
We are however fairly well attuned to MS64 grades what counts if you want to buy ungraded coins
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