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 Posted 12/17/2005  02:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinera to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi, just want to know if this is real/ genuine.. and how can you tell if a Morgan dollar is fake or not? thanks!!!



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 Posted 12/17/2005  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Coinera

Welcome to the forum !!!

The coin just looking at the pics has all the appearances of being genuine.

one method of checking a coin for authentcity is by accurate measurements and weight, for instance the Morgan dollar should weigh 26.73 grams this weight can vary a little based upon wear but should be very close, the diameter is 38.1 MM .

of course a close look at the design details are a second method of determining authenticity,

Purchasing the coins in a TPG slab is another way of being pretty sure it is authentic.

Education and getting to know the coins you choose to collect is a very good way.

Rick
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 Posted 12/17/2005  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi coinera and welcome to the forum!

I agree with all Metalman said and will add a little. Most counterfeit coins are of uncommon or rare coins rather than common coins. Since the 1879-S is fairly common, there would be no point in producing fakes since there would be little or no profit for the counterfeiter.

There's a fair number of fake Morgan dollars out there. Most are of the key and semi-key dates/mints of 1889CC, 1893CC, 1879CC, 1893S, and 1895, but the fakes aren't limited to these dates/mints. There are also MANY copies currently on the market. While most are stamped or incused with "copy", this is not always visible on images, often intentionally by the seller. These copies are also being marketed on ebay and elsewhere as "Proofs" and "Tribute" coins. Most aren't worth the metal used to coin them. Many Morgan fakes are made in China and are fairly evident by the cast marks, but some are also very good counterfeits. Basic rules: don't buy from China; and make sure ANY Morgan seller has a return policy and good feedback.

There's a lot of online information regarding counterfeits, but one place to start is: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos/ . There are also several threads on this topic in this forum; use the Search function in the upper right corner of this page and search on "counterfeits". However, feel free to ask about specific coins such as the 79S Morgan you posted. If it's a Morgan, I can safely state that you'll get a number of responses since there's several of us Morgan nuts in the group.

Fred
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 Posted 12/17/2005  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who you callin' a nut? I'm just a little, um, obsessed, is all.[:p]
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 Posted 12/17/2005  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

Who you callin' a nut? I'm just a little, um, obsessed, is all.[:p]



SuperDave, with me, it's both obsessive AND compulsive. Here it is the holiday season, I've spent myself into the ground on presents, and I'm still buying more Morgans and watching all the auctions for Morgans on ebay.

I'm sure someone will come up with a name for my disease; maybe something like Morganitis or Morgan Anal Disease (MAD). Some shrink will probably force me to join a support group like Morgans Anonymous, go to weekly meetings, and introduce myself, "My name is Fred and I'm a Morganholic.". Or maybe they'll come up with a shot; Thorazine? [I'm sure Metalman will have some suggestions for me.]

Fred

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 Posted 12/17/2005  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fred

Im afraid I cant help you Buddy !!!

I went from owning no Morgans to being the proud Papa of more than 30 in the last 3 Months!!

Of course I do not buy the TPG slabbed examples,I have developed an interest in the New Orleans Mint Morgans I tried selling a couple and within a couple of days I had replaced them with 5 others.

secretly I blame it on you !!! but publically I just claim to be studing them so I can keep up with the conversations on here .

If anyone tells my wife that not only am I an obsessive compulsive with lincolns and Merc's but maybe developing the deadly Morganpluispandolomania, I'm liable to layoff the meds for my other afflictions and come visit !!

Rick


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 Posted 12/17/2005  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Metalman

Fred

secretly I blame it on you !!! but publically I just claim to be studing them so I can keep up with the conversations on here .


I'll take FULL responsibility for your new addiction!

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If anyone tells my wife that not only am I an obsessive compulsive with lincolns and Merc's but maybe developing the deadly Morganpluispandolomania, I'm liable to layoff the meds for my other afflictions and come visit !!

Rick



Rick, by the time the Morgans get done with you, you won't be able to afford any meds, let alone a wife. [:0]

There is no cure for Morganmegalomania Obsessive Complex Kinetical Syndrome (MOCKS). It's terminal.

Make sure you turn right at Exit 10. A left turn will put you into a cactus. I can probably scrounge up a tent or something for you. Bring sunglasses.

Fred

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