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"Cents And Sensibility" Strikes Again

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A lot of repeated discussion here, but that's natural.

Just some of my own thoughts on the matter. To me, this is a huge change (heh) in the same direction as the rest of the world.

Most nations in the world have changed up most of their coins to being steel-based, many of which in the 2010's, but some even earlier. Just look at Canada, Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, Kazakhstan, New Zeeland, the UK and Mexico. Most countries of these have simply changed most of their coins' composition to that of the original metal-plated steel. New Zeeland, the UK and Mexico have launched new steel-based lower denominations from previously non-steel compositions. Many other island nations like the Bahamas, Fiji, Barbados, Cayman Islands just to mention the same have done the same, and they all mostly all have the same denominations as the US, including a 1 Cent coin (to fuel the fire: Barbados ridded themselves of the 1 Cent coin not too long ago and have had a $1 since the 1980's, steel since the 2010's)

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steel coins would be harder to distinguish from other countries' that also use steel.
is absolutely a valid concern. In fact, the current composition for Dimes and Quarters (Cupronickel-plated copper) is not very common today, the only coin that immediately comes to mind is the Thai 5 Baht coin.

Note how the proposal only applies to commonly circulating coins, not others like half dollars and dollars.


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It only benefits what ever industry that the metal comes from...right now zinc


Considering the US is a lobby-loving country, shouldn't this be a possible stopping power of this proposal? Seems out of my mind for these people to not do anything about this proposal.


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the anti counterfeit arguments and the durability arguments.


Since US coins are worth next to nothing buying-power wise, the counterfeit argument seems almost voided. Perhaps it'd be profitable to counterfeit 25 cents, but I doubt it would be a very lucrative business, maybe even for the Chinese?

As for durability reasons, is this actually an issue? I doubt US coins are subject to heavy wear and damage in large scale, like many modern African nations' coins. The way they are treated, lying in coin jars without being spent for times on end doesn't account for much wear or damage, and effectively makes the coins last over time.

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As for durability reasons, is this actually an issue?


I haven't done the math, but it's reasonable to consider. For example, one of the justifications for switching to the dollar coin (eliminating the dollar bill) is the cost savings. $B to produce each bill, which lasts an average of M months -- compared to $C to produce each coin, which lasts an average of Y years.

If changing the composition causes the coin to cost less to produce but also last a shorter period of time, the cost savings could be higher or lower (depending on the respective ratios). You'd think we'd want to balance low cost with long-lasting (so lesser need to produce more replacements), but it doesn't always work out that way.
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Sure, but I was mostly thinking about quarters and dimes, for notes wear is definitely an issue. A lot more rubbing against a less durable material, almost goes without saying. I understand that steel coins would still be cheaper to produce (copper is actually quite expensive in comparison to other metals, nickel too) but my reasoning was rather if this was an issue big enough to actually motivate the change in composition.
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Since US coins are worth next to nothing buying-power wise, the counterfeit argument seems almost voided.

Good point. But if we ever get our act together as a country and start USING $1 coins (or even *gasp* $2 coins), the counterfeit argument comes more into play. At least until you can't buy anything with a dollar, which probably isn't too far around the corner.

It would take...wait for it... an Act of Congress to make this happen anyway.
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How hard is it to ignore pennies? Ask for no pennies in your change or give them away. I never saw why people care so much about them. Yes, I wouldn't mind the elimination of the penny, but I wouldn't mind if they kept them either. The U.S. Mint's losing money for pennies is their own business and it's probably not even that big a deal considering the profit they make from higher-denomination coins.
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But if we ever get our act together as a country and start USING $1 coins (or even *gasp* $2 coins)
I wish, oh, I wish.
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The U.S. Mint's losing money for pennies is their own business and it's probably not even that big a deal considering the profit they make from higher-denomination coins.
Wasted money is still wasted money. Would you throw ten dollars in the trash every day knowing your paycheck was way more than that? I did not think so.
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