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 Posted 04/17/2008  8:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I want this coin more than I should. I am suspicious of the obverse toning. My fear is it has been artificially toned to hide flaws. Any opinions?

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 Posted 04/17/2008  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, that looks like a scan. The color can be off in a scan. Next, I really don't like that light area in front of Liberty. Looks like someone started to clean her.

Having said that....it also looks like old leather purse toning, it is almost always dark, and yes, it can hide a bunch of bad stuff......If the price was right, I would take a chance to see her in hand as long as I could return her if I needed to.....
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 Posted 04/17/2008  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinGeek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Something doesn't look right. I would pass and wait for another. Haste makes waste.
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 Posted 04/17/2008  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add guildar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's always hard to tell from a computer image, but I would say it was cleaned and then a substance added (like smoke). I can't recall ever seeing a natural rust colored bust half. Too bad - it looks like a decent strike and good detail - especially for an '07. It's still a nice coin and you could remove whatever is on there and let it re-tone naturally.
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 Posted 04/18/2008  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although certainly not my area of expertise, I really don't like the look of the obverse. As Becky said, the untoned area in front of the portrait raises enough suspicion to pass on this piece.
Any chance of a real picture of the coin? It's tough to tell much from a scan, and that's a pretty poor one at that.
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 Posted 04/18/2008  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the only image I have, from the site, and the only time I've ever considered buying an ungraded coin based on a photo. Thanks for the good advice.

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 Posted 04/18/2008  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse looks dry-rubbed clean.
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 Posted 04/19/2008  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not to start up the counterfeit topic again, but too often artificial toning can hide artifical coins. I have no idea on the authenticity of this coin, I would just be very careful to check all the details if anything looks fishy.
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 Posted 04/19/2008  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got smart (thanks ) and won't buy this coin.

I almost jumped.

Thanks again.
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 Posted 04/19/2008  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look like its been in a wooden box of some type and someone tried to rub it clean.
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 Posted 04/22/2008  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haste makes waste, exactly!


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