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With Chrissy just round the corner, what sort of coins will you be "destroying" in your puddings
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Ah, lim, could you give us a little background on this? I suspect it's a holiday tradition of which some of us may be unaware, especially the coin bit. I'm not at all sure I'd like to break a tooth on a coin unless it was something like an 89CC Morgan (but not out of my collection ).

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You found one that only Commonwealth folk would understand

I still use a shilling
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quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred

Ah, lim, could you give us a little background on this? I suspect it's a holiday tradition of which some of us may be unaware, especially the coin bit. I'm not at all sure I'd like to break a tooth on a coin unless it was something like an 89CC Morgan (but not out of my collection ).

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Silver coins are put inside Christmas puddings over here and perhaps elsewhere as well.I am not entirely sure myself as to the significance/origin of this practice, but do enjoy collecting them over the years....

Perhaps good old RG might be able to enlighten all of us...[:p]

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Christmas pudding
Christmas puddings are often dried out on hooks for weeks prior to serving in order to enhance the flavour. This pudding has been prepared with a traditional cloth rather than a basin.
Christmas pudding is the dessert traditionally served on Christmas day in Britain and Ireland, as well as in some Commonwealth countries including AUSTRALIA. It has its origins in England, and is sometimes known as plum pudding, though this can also refer to other kinds of boiled pudding involving a lot of dried fruit.
Basics
Many households have their own recipe for Christmas pudding, preferably handed down the family; it is probable that there are also regional variations.
Christmas pudding is a boiled, or rather steamed, pudding, massively heavy with dried fruit and nuts, and usually made with suet. It should be very dark in appearance - effectively black - and moist with brandy and other alcohol (some recipes call for dark beers such as mild, stout or porter).
Traditionally, Christmas puddings were boiled in a pudding cloth, and they are often represented as round, but at least since the beginning of the twentieth century they have usually been prepared in basins.
The wish and other traditions


Traditionally, every member of the household stirs the pudding, while making a wish.

This Christmas pudding is decorated with skimmia rather than holly.
Traditionally puddings were made on or immediately after the Sunday "next before Advent", i.e. five weeks before Christmas. The Collect for that Sunday in the Book of Common Prayer of the Church of England, as it was used from the sixteenth century (and still is in traditional churches), reads:

"Stir up, we beseech thee, O Lord, the wills of thy faithful people; that they, plenteously bringing forth the fruit of good works, may by thee be plenteously rewarded; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen"

The association of stirring and fruit was irresistible and the day became known as "Stir-up Sunday". Everyone in the household, or at least every child, was required to give the mixture a stir, and to make a wish while doing so.
It was common practice to include small silver coins in the pudding mixture, which could be kept by the person whose serving included them. The usual choice was a silver 3d piece, or a sixpence. The coin was believed to bring wealth in the coming year. However this practice fell away once real silver coins were not available, as it was believed that alloy coins would taint the pudding. There have been a few instances of this practice in more recent memory, at some primary schools and other institutions as late as the 1990s, but in the current litigious climate the practice has stopped for fear of being sued if a child bites a coin by mistake.

Other tokens are also known to have been included, such as a tiny wishbone (to bring good luck) a silver thimble (for thrift) or an anchor (to symbolise safe harbour)

Once turned out of its basin, the Christmas pudding is traditionally decorated with a spray of holly, then, in some parts of the country, doused in brandy, flamed (or 'fired'), and brought to the table ceremonially - where it should be greeted with a round of applause. In some houses the lights are turned out as the pudding is brought in amid a halo of purple brandy flames (this is related to the Christmas tradition of snap-dragons). It can be eaten with brandy butter, rum butter, cream (lemon cream is excellent) or custard and is often sprinkled with caster sugar (the fall of the sugar on triangular slices resembling the fall of snow on a pitched roof, or snowy mountain tops.

After Christmas

Christmas puddings have very good keeping properties and many families keep one back from Christmas to be eaten at another celebration later in the year, often at Easter. Some take the practice so far as to make each year's pudding the previous Christmas. Others claim that this impairs the flavour, but admit that a well-made pudding will keep at least adequately for a year.
Christmas puddings can be bought ready made and cooked, but unless they come from a luxury store these are likely to be a poor substitute for a home-cooked pudding. Nowadays, many people find the Christmas pudding too rich and heavy (especially after lots of rich food on the morning of Christmas, then a starter and a large main course for the main meal), but most families have at least one member who will demand that a "proper" Christmas pudding be cooked.
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Thanks RG.....you have open my eyes today....

So I take it Yanks do not follow this tradition
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For the most part- They wouldn't know a christmas pudding if they stepped in it.

Remember there are exceptions to everything

Most I have spoken to thought we were talking about fruit cake
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Pretty interesting tradition, althogh I would prefer chocolate Jello pudding and you can just hand me the coin.
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lim118 and rggoodie, Please send pudding and don't forget the silver!!! We don't have any traditions over here that would equal that amazing story! You won't get much Xmas out of me as I tend to believe it is meant for the kids (the commercial part) as most adults already have more than their homes can hold. Xmas advertising started over two months ago and usually by mid-November I am fed up with the constant barrage of propaganda. Actually I have always felt I should give gifts to those I love when ever I so choose other than having the government or religion dictate what day I should do it? I find countless thousands every year, posing for photos and acting like they care about humanity for a few days each year repulsive. See what they will all be doing two weeks later? I know I won't gain much favor from many of you but Xmas in our throw away society really rubs me the wrong way. Traditions such as this "pudding" seems very attractive to me as I, through the years, have tried to start our own little traditions but to no avail! Commercialism has won!
Now, what gifts are greatest, if I must receive one? High on my list would be love and peace, at least in my own family and hopefully branching out from there. The next would be those unexpected surprises such as a card from a collector in the Netherlands (yesterday) which included two shiny uncirculated euros of one cent and Two Cent. Not much value but sent with meaning and friendship over thousands of miles to reside with me the rest of my life from a very good friend whom I have never met nor probably will. Those my friends are REAL gifts and those are the kind I like to give. Many of you, in your own right, are gifts and that is why so many of us return here day in and day out! I will take and hold those gifts forever and hopefully I too can return a little happiness, a little cheer, perhaps a touch of understanding from time to time and the right to call you friend! That my friends is an XMAS gift!
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In the main,well said Terry......

We may all speak the same language but there are things that we differ in from place to place. Just like your thanks giving, it was not that long ago that I cotton on to what it was all about.
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Great story! Anyone actually ever swallow a coin by accident?LOL Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by rggoodie

Christmas pudding
Christmas puddings have very good keeping properties and many families keep one back from Christmas to be eaten at another celebration later in the year, often at Easter. Some take the practice so far as to make each year's pudding the previous Christmas. Others claim that this impairs the flavour, but admit that a well-made pudding will keep at least adequately for a year.

Thank you for the information rggoodie, while reading this I was thinking of our fruit cake, and the similarities each of them have. I have fruit cake that must be at least a year old, and if they are waiting for me to eat it, it will git a lot older yet!
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I spend a lot of time travelling
I think the Austrians have some pudding like that

But a lot of UK food never made it to the mainland
Steak and Yorkshere pudding is not known here
Neither is Shepards pie
Nor is Jelly dessert
And one of the things I like very much is forbidden by our
food safety rules because of the phospor contengt
That is good old Rosy's lime juice which you take in gin and lime
I also like shandy but our lemonade does not seem right
( one third or half lemonade and beer forgot whether it was lager or bitter )
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Christmas Pudding is alive and well in Texas ours gets a sixpence and is served with a brandy butter.
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Old Dan alluded to it, but in many families, mine included, fruitcake is a traditional holiday food. From what I gathered of the ingredients of pudding, it sounds very close to fruitcake although I never paid attention to my mother's recipe and how it was made. Coins were not part of the recipe. I always thought it was German in origin since my mother was Deutsch, but I never inquired. None of us particularly liked fruitcake, but we always ate at least a slice of it to make Mom happy and to continue the tradition. As others said, it lasts at least a year unrefrigerated.

More recently in my family, we have the annual Fruitcake Award, presented to the person who is the last to come up with a usable Wish List or otherwise is selected because he or she really messed up just before the holiday. My sister received the first award a number of years ago when she came up with her Wish List, then presented herself with half the items on the list thus duplicating the gift efforts of the rest of the family. The origin of the Fruitcake Award was from my mother who, with her Alzheimer's decided everyone had asked for a fruitcake, so went out and bought one for each of us. (Hey, it was better than the dried frog she got my nephew one year.) We expanded on the idea and now make up, print out, and frame a certificate and present the awardee with a token fruitcake. Moi, as judge, jury, and executioner is exempt from being the awardee, but I would never qualify for it since I am always timely with my very complete and usable lists.

Fred

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