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1909 (P) VDB - Grade Help

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So I think I may have messed up. Coin was graded by one of the worst TPG's out there, but my brain read the TPG's name as a top-tier. The good thing is I paid nowhere near what top-tier's grade would have warranted, but I'm now wondering what it really grades at by those who would know better then me. I'd like to get some opinions on the grade before I say who graded, and what they graded at, so nobody is persuaded by the slabbed grade.

I am unsure at this time if the dot at the 3:00 position is on the slab or the coin, as well as the spiderweb looking things in the 2:00 area.

Your opinions are valued and appreciated. Thanks in advance!





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The images are a bit small for accurate grading but based on color alone, I am certain that this coin is fully uncirculated. The smudgy areas on the right side appear to be on the slab. I do not see any major distracting marks so I feel comfortable putting this one in the range of MS-63 Red-Brown(RB) to MS-64 Red(RD), it is a nice VDB
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Pics are a bit small for an accurate grade.
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Yeah, these are the seller's pics, best I can offer at this point. I can see if I can do anything in PS.
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Any better?



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63/64, pictures not very good.
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MS64RB , I think It's a nice coin . Don't know what's up with the white spots .
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You guys made me feel better. I'll post my own pics when I get the coin.

The coin was graded by PCI as MS64RD. It's in one of their older green border slabs, and it's my understanding that they were conservative during their early years. Don't know if that's rue or not, but based on the feedback I'm getting here, it seems it wasn't horribly over-graded, if at all. I can definitely live with a one grade over-grade. I paid less then what an MS61RD lists for.

Additional opinions are welcome!
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Looks like a 63 to me..
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I'll pass on grading it. New pics large enough, but not sharp enough. And I'd like to know more about that white spot.
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***UPDATE***

Coin arrived today (along with another ungraded 1909 VDB). The white specs and spider-web looking things must have been slab surface dust, as neither are on the actual coin or in the slab.

The fingerprint on Abe's shoulder is more prominent in real life then in the original photo, and his suit has a darker tone to it. The reverse has some specks (carbon?).

Would regrading be worthwhile? The only reason I'm thinking of regrading is because of the reputation of PCI over NGC, but not really sure it would matter. PCI gave it MS64RD.

New pics;



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Oh, and one thing I noticed that I could use help with, in LIBERTY, is there doubling, or PMD on the B, and I think it's PMD on the Y. Opinions?



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Definitely not worth having re-graded! 64RB.
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I am at 63RB
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MS-63RB
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