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Potentially More Hard To Detect Fake Ancient Romans

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The center coin is clearly a modern fake I am now used to seeing. The green patina rubs off and it is a perfect strike. So perfect it is obvious it is not ancient. But any non cast coin that is struck on a flan is dangerous of course. In contrast, the four around it are potentially more dangerous fakes to detect. A strike then perhaps an acid erosion followed by a white patina applied that fills into the corroded area. The top left Fausta I rubbed off the white to leave the corroded rust area uncovered. But all four of the outside coins were as white as each other when I received them in a much larger lot of old estate coins. I am only thinking some form of lead oxide is the white but I could be wrong.

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@LKS, thanks for the warning. Your post, plus Bob's thread about too much yellow really make me mistrust anything with a patina. Are these coins made from a copper alloy?
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Yes they are copper. And not to worry, I go through hundreds of thousands of coins and these fake coins are rare. Plus they only seem to occur in lots from old collections so they tricked someone in the past. Genuine coins are flooding the German established auction houses right now. I don't think the counterfeiter would make half the money these days making these if they made them recently as the market is saturated with countless real coins much nicer. Just my opinion of course but there has to be a profit incentive to make fakes.
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The forgers in Europe have really perfected their skills in making fakes. They show up in large lots where an unsuspecting buyer seeing some nice looking coins at a glance and thinks they are getting a great deal. I haven't collected Roman coins for a few years now so I probably would have been fooled by the last two. Thanks for bring these to our attention.
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