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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...WN:IT&ih=015

I won the above listed auction but need help id-ing the items.

What can I say, I like to gamble. Besides, I needed a coin from 1776 to extend my "coin from each year" set back to 1773. I guess I'll start looking for something from 1772 soon.
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Most of them are reasonably well identified for you...
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1 - Ottoman Empire, Silver Akche, Ibrahim, 1640-48

2 - Old token? "Plus Ultra" - ship on one side, sun/moon on other

3 - Scotland church token, dated 1843

4 - Ireland coin dated 1776

#1 is one of these. Not sure if the mint is determinable on yours.

#2 is a Lauer "plus ultra" type rechenpfennig - a German jeton or game token, from the 1800's I believe.

#3 is a Scottish communion token.

#4 is an Irish halfpenny, or reasonable imitation of same.
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Thanks, I'd heard of communion tokens but did not know that history. Neat to know. Based on the wear of this token, it definitely saw some use. As for the Irish halfpenny, how can I determine if original or contemporary counterfeit? Does it really matter?
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As for the Irish halfpenny, how can I determine if original or contemporary counterfeit? Does it really matter?

In that condition, probably not.
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Hey! A "coin from each year"-collector as well! Good I'm not the only one. You have progressed further than me, I am (temporarily?) stuck on 1834.

I have 1772, though. 5 kopek from Russia.
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I received the lot and am trying to identify the little brass (?) token. I found the same token on a few other ebay auctions.

http://cgi.ebay.at/Rechenpfennig-Je...us_W0QQitemZ250223988478QQihZ015QQcategoryZ18485QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.cafr.ebay.com/Rare19th-C...er_W0QQitemZ150232914246QQihZ005QQcategoryZ88903QQcmdZViewItem

One calls it a Jeton, the other says it is from the island of Lemnos. I'm not sure what to think.
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Your token is a jeton, or counter token from Nurenberg.
Nurenberg was for centuries the most important center of fabrication of counter tokens. The Lauer family is one of the famous families in that trade.
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One calls it a Jeton, the other says it is from the island of Lemnos. I'm not sure what to think.

One is correct. The other is lying through his teeth knife.

Sorry. I was too lazy to post some jeton/rechenpfennig links earlier:
Example in the ANS collection.
Translation of German Wikipedia page on the fellow named on the token: L.C. Lauer, last of the Nuremberg jeton-makers.
Thread here on CCF with some Lauer play money.
Thread over on CoinTalk where someone else has found some rechenpfennigs attached to a knife.
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