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New Member
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So hopefully everyone can cut me some slack on some of the images I'll be posting. I tried taking some axial pics and I'm open to suggestions but these next several posts are all taken the same way. Also there may have been a little glare or purple color from gloves I wore.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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the 93S is the key date and very pricey.....you might want to send that in and make sure thats its real vs fake. There are many fakes
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New Member
 United States
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I had met with 2 dealers in the past that both said it was real for what its worth
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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For a coin like this don't use axial lighting. Axial lighting is mostly for proof/proof-like/cameo coins and rainbow toning. Right now that coin looks like a fake. And for an 1893-S you absolutely need a TPG opinion (PCGS or NGC). Edited by kanga
06/28/2017 8:43 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Agree needs to be authenticated. Also I cannot see the rabbit ears which is a telltale sale of an authentic piece which is in LIBERTY
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3210 Posts |
My gut is Chinese fake, also the date position looks off.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1963 Posts |
It looks counterfeit to me.
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New Member
United States
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As I said on some of my other posts this was my first time really trying to take pictures of some of my coins and well, they don't really look how they do in person. I also have a good feeling this isn't fake otherwise the one dealer and one PCGS authorized dealer wouldn't have offered several thousand in its raw state unless they also knew.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3210 Posts |
Get it authenticated it's worth more than several thousand if real and uncleaned
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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How did you acquire this coin?
Date position is correct, MM size and position are correct for V1, date slant is correct. Surfaces are HIGHLY suspect as they have the trademark rough, pitted look of a cast copy or spark-erosion copy. The color is also a concern as the dark areas around the MM and legends are typical of the Chinese fakes in every respect. There is not enough detail to diagnose LIBERTY.
Your best bet would be to have the PCGS-certified dealer submit the coin to PCGS on your behalf if he thinks it is genuine. There are some very deceptive fakes made of real silver, using spark-erosion dies, out there, which would fool many dealers; in addition, 1893 Philly mint Morgans are seen with "added" S mintmarks.
For what it's worth, if real, this coin is worth about $12,000 to $15,000, although the extent of the environmental damage will reduce that price accordingly. I won't dismiss this one out of hand as a fake, but the signs are ominous.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Try taking your pics under incandescent light. This one is hard to judge.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Try ANACS for a low cost and no-question answer to your concerns.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would use a loupe/lupe and compare the three key markers, as noted on various sites that discuss how to authenticate the '93-S. The raised die mark that runs through the T in LIBERTY can be seen on the lowest grade '92-S, so that's the first place I would look. From your images, none of the 3 markers are visible, but there almost looks to me like there is a seam on the rim at the 12:00 position from your photos. This is a heavily counterfeited, extremely valuable, 'King of the Morgans' coin, and a coin of this value being sold as raw should always be questioned. I had been looking for one, and passed on three that I couldn't see the markers on. This is a coin that can relatively easily be verified by the die markers. All 100,000 copies were made with the same obverse die, and all will have the 3 markers. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.  Edited by Beefer518
07/05/2017 06:22 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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if real looks like a harshly cleaned 45
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Posted 06/28/2017 8:32 pm
