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Lincoln 1969 S Would This Be Considered A Mint Red?

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 Posted 07/27/2017  9:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add PilcrowsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So while coin roll hunting I came across this coin.
I was just wondering if something like this would grade a mint state red since its shiny/good condition ect. Or do the mint state red only apply to certified proof coins?
Thanks for any info on this.

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 Posted 07/27/2017  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RD is really part of the grade. It pertains to the color of a MS or PF state coin, one that hasn't lost it's original luster. this is generally applied to coins of MS/PF62 or higher. Those with little or no marks in fields or on devices.

I'm gonna start a fight here, because I'm a Purist. If the coin came from CRH, it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to get a grade highrer than AU(almost uncirculated). Your coin is a circulated coin, it did not come from an original bankwrap roll right from the mint. Your coin shows wear on high points, and scratches all over. therefore luster is only a small factor in determining actual grade, it does increase "Eye appeal" which seems to be a big deal(?) Remember, every little ding and scratch deducts overall point scores on each side!

overall grade=AU-55

On a lighter Note, I would love to put that in a best of best circulated LMC set!
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 Posted 07/27/2017  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your light is over-saturating the picture. I think it's making the coin look worse than it is. Trying backing off the light and getting the camera parallel to the surface more.

Looks to be between AU and MS-63. Best I can tell from the given images.

Here's mine - I like to use angled pictures to supplement the parallel ones, but they should never stand on their own.



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 Posted 07/27/2017  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PilcrowsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is some better pics? No flash this time, with ceiling light on.. So its still a bit bright, but the coin sticks out for something this old.

Thanks for the feedback!

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I agree with BadThad the light is washing out the true color of this Lincoln which I'm sure is A nice bright red .However as Crazyb0 states it is not an uncirculated coin .It has been lightly circulated and warrants a grade of AU-55 . Still nice .
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 Posted 07/28/2017  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PilcrowsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So circulated coins will get the AU grade then and proof get the red?
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 Posted 07/28/2017  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No. Proof is not a grade but a special minting process. Both proof and regular issue coins are red to begin with but, if circulated, will begin to tarnish and darken.



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So circulated coins will get the AU grade then and proof get the red?


Only if they show traces of wear. I've plucked THOUSANDS of mint state coins from circulation, I couldn't disagree more with the posters above. The major TPG's all disagree too because I've submitted many coins I've found searching that came back as mint state. A coins grade is all about WEAR, regardless of where the coin came from.

You coin appears to be common mint state, around MS-63RD.
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BTW - MUCH better job on the second set of pictures!
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Here's an example, I found this coin searching boxes I got from the bank.


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Thanks for the reply guys.

BadThad: Thanks a lot for explaining and showing proof a circulated coin can get a grade RD. That's what I was curious about. I keep noticing nice coins in penny rolls. Most people pass them up, thinking they are too new (from watching videos anyways). But I've pulled the 69 and a 64 that look like they'd receive the RD grade. So its good to know in some cases, maybe rare. Circulated coins can get the RD grade.

Great coin by the way, I just learned about the 99 wide A M literally 5 min ago lol.
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If you enjoy searching coins and appreciate finding red, mint state Lincolns, I suggest you start a Memorial roll set. I've been working on one for many years. I've found the majority of them searching bank bags and boxes. It quite fun!

When I find red, mint state coins that are exceptional, I add them to the rolls. From years of heavy searching, the quality of the coins I now have is exceptional - majority are MS-65 and up.


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Great coin by the way, I just learned about the 99 wide A M literally 5 min ago lol.


It's one you should be looking for - they are worth some money. They are extremely difficult to find. After searching tens of thousands of coins (in a prime hunting ground too), I've only found 2. I sold the slabbed coin and kept this one:


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