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 Posted 08/25/2017  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SergeyYS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On ebay at mario95coin there was here such picture with a box for 2018 Renewed Voyageur Dollar Big Coin 5OZ.
From the box picture, we can conclude that unfortunately, with the exception of the Voyageur Dollar itself, the other denominations are a banal repetition of coins of 2015, only in pink gold.
It's a pity. It would be desirable, that similar coins (yes for such price), had more original design.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


The only coin I may buy is the Voyageur dollar coin. The rest are unnecessary duplication of the 1st big coin series. In effect, this would the 3rd big coin 5 oz series of the current circulation coins. 1. Gold highlight. 2 Coloured. 3. Rose-Gold coloured.

Beware that the 1st series has dropped in price, I've seen some that have sold below $500 in coin auctions.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can already see by the packaging that they "probably" will not do individual customized sleeves depicting which coin is inside like they did with all the previous 5 ounce big coin series. Smart move by RCM in saving $$$$ and hopefully they are not stupid enough this time around to give the wooden box starting with the first coin in a subscription because I saw so many at auctions with only the first coin (loonie) in the wooden box up for bidding.

This time around there will be 7 big coins in this series. I definitely want that voyageur big coin; however, even though I have all three of the big coin series....I am on the fence about this one. I will have to wait and see.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome SergeyYS
More of the same not enticing
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 Posted 08/25/2017  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
New1954
Are you saying there will be a penny in this set too?
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 Posted 08/25/2017  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Electrum
Yes...there will be a penny too!!

Look up at SergeyYS photo of the box holding the voyageur coin and you will see 7 pics of the new art. I hope I am right on this one. Just a guess but I do know for sure that this is a 7 coin series.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YesOrNo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Great Seal of Canada coin was first produced in 2003 with a mintage of 998. So I'm not going to buy it this time. Not a fan of repeated stuff.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys for pictures and analysis.

I would agree, that the Voyageur and the Penny probably will gain in the value (till CAD 700-900).
All the rest - I even not sure what they have been minted for? All who wanted to buy some Big Coin design - already got it with 'gold' layering in 2015.

Btw, the 2012 Big Penny doesn't have 'traditional' Proof Finish. And according the picture, the 2018 series are frosted on mirror surface coins.

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 Posted 08/25/2017  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quasarito to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find the 2 oz. gold-plated Voyageur coin a beautiful piece. But I'm not getting the same "feeling" when I see the 5 oz. rose-gold version. It does not look right to me. I think it will be the same for the entire rose-gold series, with the exception of the penny. The rose-gold on the penny looks copper-ish, so seems more fitting.

Maybe my opinion will change once actual photos are available, instead of the renderings that are currently being shown.
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 Posted 08/29/2017  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got the advanced email from my rep. A few surprises that were not shown in the post office catalog.

- 1 Kilo Maple Leaf shaped coin - $2500 - 700 Mintage
- 5 oz Glass Murano Poinsetta Holiday Coin - $569.95 1500 mintage
- 5 Kilogram Coast to Coast coin - $10,699.95 - 100 mintage

The Moon Phase coin set is similar to the Moon Mask Set but more expensive at $575.95. 2 oz per coin.

- Missing is the 5oz Voyageur coin. Not included in the email.
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 Posted 08/29/2017  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add al996 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Long list!
Got this via email-
5 oz. Pure Silver 7-Coin Subscription - 2018 Big Coin Series $ 559.95 / coin
5 Kilogram Pure Silver Coin - Canada 150 From Coast To Coast To Coast $10,699.95
Pure Silver One-Kilogram Coin - Maple Leaf Forever $2,499.95
5 oz. Pure Gold Coin - Red-Tailed Hawk $12,999.95
5 oz. Pure Silver Coin with Murano Glass - Holiday Splendour $569.95
2 oz. Pure Silver Coloured 3-Coin Set - Phases of the Moon $575.95
1 oz. Pure Silver Gold-Plated 3-Coin Subscription - From Sea To Sea To Sea $112.95/coin
1 oz. Pure Silver Coloured Coin - Hot Air Balloons $114.95
Pure Silver Gold-Plated Coin - The Great Seal of Canada $139.95
3 oz. Pure Silver Coloured Coin - Monarch Migration $299.95
Pure Silver Coloured 7-Coin Subscription - Learning to Play $74.95/coin
1 oz. Pure Silver Coloured Coin - Bejeweled Bugs: Bee $174.95
1 oz. Pure Silver Coloured Coin - Mother Nature's Magnification: Morning Dew $106.95
1 oz. Pure Silver Coin - 3D Approaching Canada Goose $117.95
Pure Silver 12-Coin Subscription - Zodiac $54.95
Great Canadian Outdoors - Pure Silver Glow-in-the-Dark 4-Coin Subscription $69.95/coin
1 oz. Pure Silver Coloured 3-Coin Subscription - Under the Sea $151.95/coin
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 Posted 08/29/2017  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The wooden box comes with the 7th coin.

The penny is available only with the subscription.
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 Posted 08/29/2017  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YesOrNo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
5 kilograms of silver is worth $3,522 CAD. And RCM is selling the Canada 150 5kg coin for $10,699.95. The profit margin would be 67%.

By contrast, RCM typically sells a 1oz gold coin for $2,800. And 1oz of gold is worth $1,646 CAD. The profit margin for gold coins is there for 41%.

Any insights why RCM needs to have such a high profit margin for all silver coins? Because producing a silver coin is technically more difficult than a gold one?
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 Posted 08/29/2017  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Because they can, and some people will purchase them
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 Posted 08/29/2017  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoulBrotherNo3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@yesOrNo
I'm not defending the mint here but it's not profit margin.
Essentially their raw material cost is what you've stated.

They then have labour costs, costs for tooling, costs for packaging, costs for overhead, cost for marketing, etc.
The business I work for runs on a 38% raw material to final sale price cost.

If you look at cost of raw materials to sale cost in numismatics, you'll always be deeply regretful of your purchase.
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