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Yet Another Forum Game - Numismatic Go Fish!

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Thanks all!

I had this idea kicking around in my head, so I'm excited to get to try it!

This round's challenge: Things that are gone.

Challenge coin:
Turko-Hepthalite kingdom (Afghanistan)
C. 680-720
Ruler "Sri Vajara Vakhu Devah"
Silver drachm

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For this round, the goal is to represent in a single coin how completely the world around us can change. This will be geared toward ancient or Medieval coins, but I will try to structure the points so moderns have a shot, too.

Who:
1 point for a coin that depicts a person who is deceased
2 points if that person was alive when the coin was minted
+1 bonus if that person is famous enough that your average (reasonably well educated) person knows who they were (If the person is of national importance but not a major player in world history, that counts too)
+1 bonus if that person is totally lost to history; only attested through coinage

Where:
+1 point if the issuing country no longer exists
+1 point if the civilization or culture that minted it is totally gone
+1 point if the city where the mint was located is just ruins today

When:
1 point if the coin can't be dated to a specific year (frozen dates count)
2 Points if the coin can't be dated to a specific decade
3 points if the coin can't be dated to a specific century (meaning 100 year period)

What:
+1 point if the coin depicts an extinct animal or plant
+1 point if it wasn't extinct when the coin was made

+1 point if the coin depicts a building, object, or landmark that is destroyed or substantially ruined today
+1 point if it was not ruined when the coin was made

+1 point if the coin's legends are in an extinct or functionally extinct language (Latin counts, Greek does not)
+1 point if the alphabet or writing system is one that no living person on earth learns how to write in grade school
(Multiple extinct languages each count separately)

+1 point if the coin serves as religious propaganda for a religion that was once widespread, but is now extinct or reduced to a "fringe" religion with >1,000,000 adherents worldwide
+1 point if the religion is so far gone that we don't fully understand what is represented on the coin.

+1 point if you can demonstrate that the coin was the last issue of its denomination, issuing authority, etc.


Going back to my challenge coin:
3 points for depicting someone deceased, who was alive when the coin was made, who is not otherwise attested outside of his coins.
2 points because the Turco-Hepthalite kingdom was shattered by the joint forces of an internal rebellion from the native Hindus, and constant warfare against the Arabs. It was likely minted in Kabul, which is still inhabited.
2 points for being from an unknown year or decade, but from between 680-720 AD
6 points for the legends; Bactrian written in a heavily modified cursive Greek around the coin, Brahmi written in an extinct predecessor of Devanagari, Middle Persian written in Pahlavi on the reverse
+1 for the Zoroastrian reverse, depicting two attendants guarding the sacred fire of Ahura Mazda. There are fewer than 200,000 Zoroastrian worldwide today, although it once rivaled Roman paganism and Christianity in terms of popularity

Comes to a grand total of 14 points! This round will require some homework, but I am sure that there are plenty of coins out there that will beat my score. Remember that modern commemoratives count, but the bonus points come in for coins that were contemporary to what they depict.

Good luck!

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Constantius II -- 2 points
Issuing country no longer exists -- 1 point
Civilization totally gone -- 1 point
Mint in ruins -- 1 point
Can't be dated to a specific decade -- 2 points
Legend in extinct language -- 1 point
Religious propaganda for religion (not Christian) 1 point
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Quote:
2 points if that person was alive when the coin was minted

Quote:
3 points if the coin can't be dated to a specific century (meaning 100 year period)

When I looked at those, I was all "hey, those two can't possibly be true at the same time".

Then I thought "wait a minute..."

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Bukhara (occasionally given as Chach or Sogdiana), Asbar, AE18 scyphate fals (unit).
Probably somewhere between 1st and 8th century AD. Opinions differ.

(For the record, the first photo is about the right color, for both sides; the second one is only like this because taking a flash photo of the inner side of a scyphate coin with a smartphone is surprisingly tricky.)


2+1=3 points for Asbar (definitely dead now, was probably alive then, not attested outside his coins).
1+1=2 points for minting civilization (I wasn't able to figure out what the mint was, and if it's Bukhara, it might still exist).
3 points for uncertain century (seriously, references are all over).
1+1=2 points for legend (extinct Sogdian language in extinct Sogdian script).

I'm not sure if it counts for religious propaganda; the design is said to be a Bukharan tamga in the shape of a fire altar.
I think it's closer to religious than a Fel Temp is, though!

Total: 10 points (11 if it's religious).


...I think I have some Nabataean issues that might get more points. Minus the century point, plus the ruined city point, not sure on attestation, maybe on religious propaganda either way.

It really comes down to whether a double portrait counts for double points

My Bukhar Khudat coin might get more points as well (but I haven't attributed it yet).
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Let's see how I can do with a modern coin...
1897 50 kopeks
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Who:
-Features Tsar Nicholas II (1868-1918) who was alive when the coin was minted. 2 points
-Famously known as the last Tsar of Russia +1
Where:
-Issuing country no longer exists. Russian Empire (1721-1917) +1

Total 4 points.
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Great coins so far!

Totals after day 1:
Arkie - 8 points for a very nice Constantius II FEL TEMP bronze
January may - 10 points for a nice and obscure bronze of Asbar from Bukhara
bd251 - 4 points for a nice big silver from Imperial Russia

And just a reminder; there are a ton of modern commemoratives out there which commemorate famous extinct civilizations such as Egypt or Mesopotamia - Good opportunity to rack up some points there!
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Fantastic idea.

Seems like another excuse to post an Ike, but I think I might have to consider something different.
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I don't think I'll have much this round. I'll look. But sounds like a seriously cool and interesting round.
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Egypt 5/10 Qirsh (1293-1327/1876-1909)
Sultan Abdul Hamid II

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Points:
1 point for alive when minted
1 point for now deceased
1 point for collapse of Ottoman Empire in 1914
1 point for coin having a date range (1293-1327/1876-1909)

Possible points?
Minted in Misr (Egypt), Cairo. Not sure if the mint still stands but the city of Cairo is still inhabited.

Last issue date: 1907



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Hephthalite Empire
Today part of :
Afghanistan
China
India
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Pakistan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan

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Hmm interesting challenge. The best I got is an ancient coin. So here goes.

The coin
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Now let's see if I did the point right.

Depicts deceased person = 1
Person was alive when minted= 2
Issuing country no longer exists=1
Civilization no longer exists=1
Coin can't be dated to specific year=1
Legend in extinct language=1
Religious propaganda=1 (Reverse depicts Roman Goddess Fides.)

Total= 8 points. That's if I did it right.
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A Roman 1 denarius piece that was made from 177 to 178:

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It depicts Marcus Aurelius, who was alive when this coin was made but is (obviously) dead today. It is from Rome, has Latin writing on it, and can be narrowed down to being made in two years. And... I think that is it.
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Nice entries so far for day 2!

Totals:
Arkie: 8 points
January1May: 10 points
bd251: 4 points
Canadian coins: 5 points
MontCollector: 7 points (you counted the personage twice)
Joseph 7420: 7 points (I would count Marcus Aurelius as famous, so 3 points + 2 for civilization being gone + 1 for language + 1 for the goddess Salus. Unfortunately the TRP scheme allows daring to exactly 1 year; December 10 - December 9 the following year)

@Dorado, I have honestly no clue what is in your slab, but it's neither Hepthalite nor Mewar as the slab claims. Centsles (NNC) is infamous for stuffing random coins into his slabs to increase sales. Maybe if you crack it out someone could ID it, or I am sure that one of your very nice world coins would get a decent number of points!

3 days is up tomorrow morning, so let's see some more entries!

(As a hint: even the lowly New Hampshire quarter is worth a good number of points, since Old Man of the Mountain collapsed in 2003, two years after the quarter was made!)
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