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1793 Liberty Cap Large Cent S-13?

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 Posted 08/16/2017  5:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pasasap to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think this is a 1793 S-13 Liberty Cap Large Cent.


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 Posted 08/16/2017  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pasasap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Increased size of photos.

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Sorry, not the best, but the best I can post.
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I think we will need better photos to determine what variety this coin is.

Do you own it?
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@pasasap, I agree with Devin that these pics make it pretty tough to correctly attribute this coin. The coin itself may be too worn for more than a "best-guess" attribution in any case.

However, I might still be able to provide a little assistance. According to my copy of Early American Cents, the S-13 variety has the L reverse, which has a diagnostic leaf placement in relation to the ME of AMERICA. Specifically:


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The leaf runs almost parallel to the bottoms of the two letters, and points and the bottom of the adjacent A.



The S-13 has the type 12 obv. One distinguishing aspect of this obv that might be visible on your coin are the two beads from the border that are centered over the I in LIBERTY. Additionally, the obv legend in general, and the L in LIBERTY specifically, are positioned very close to the border beads.

Let us know what you think about these diagnostics with this coin in hand.
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Excellent recommendations, Spence.
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Nope, S-14 with the bisecting die cracked obverse down through the E in LIBERTY. All known specimens have this crack. Here is a picture of a high grade one from the Dan Holes sale.

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You nailed it @conder!
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Sorry, I meant S-14. 13 are known to have survived, so I mixed the two numbers up. I took it to a coin show and two experts confirmed it as S-14 there also. One of the experts said he would give it a Grade of Fair with a net grade of AG. I thought it might be a 1794 "Head of 1793" when I purchased at an auction. It was sold in a two coin lot labeled dateless Large Cents. I am being offered $3,000 for it, is that a fair price? I am probably not going to sell it anyway because I need it for my Large Cent collection, but I would like to know what it is actually worth. Right now it is safely locked up in the bank along with all my other coins.
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Your survival figure is way low, the S-14 is an R-5- coin so 60 to 75 known. I would think $3000 to $3500 would probably be reasonable considering the obv scratches and the low grade, no date.
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Thank you for your help.

I have decided that I need this coin for my Large Cent set, so I am not going to sell it.

I am just excited that it is a 1793 to tell you the truth. ;)
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Good for you!
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