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That's been dipped in something, Tarnix would have removed all that outside black gunk and if rinsed properly wouldn't "dust". To be honest, that's one coin that would benefit from Tarnix on a gently rolled q-tip ? Wouldn't hurt it much more, may if done right greatly improve eye appeal.
Edited by Crazyb0 08/18/2017 12:18 am
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Rest in Peace
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I'd go with a pure acetone bath before doing anything else. That is potentially a very nice coin. Go slow with it.
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Yes I Agree , Try a long soak in Acetone first . Coin looks like it has little to NO wear . 
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Edited by Dorado 08/18/2017 09:14 am
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Although acetone will do no harm, I have the feel of this coin as one which has been overdipped. The result of that is permanent, and will be fairly obvious to any experienced observer. It seems to me that the dark spots here are advanced silver sulfide toning, which acetone won't touch, and the coin was originally far darker. The dip removed all but the worst of the black, at the cost of the coin's original luster, which won't be coming back.
It's a darn shame. This was a $500+ coin before, although if the toning is where I think it was, the grade would have taken a large hit for decreased eye appeal. Even worse, it might have been possible to remove that toning without resorting to overdipping.
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The expression I like to use is... "dipped to death"...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree over-dipped. Shame.
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Coin took an acetone bath before I took the last set of images. It's Friday night and I'm feeling like a rebel, so going for a quick shot at Tarn-X cleaning. I'll post pics of outcome soon.
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Well, if it wasn't ruined before, it will be now.
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Weeellll, there's always Turtle Wax! note: ebay trick #27...
Edited by Crazyb0 08/19/2017 12:16 am
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And the results are in, pictures tell the story. Coin on left is before, coin on right is after:   The carbon spots, black sulfide and some staining couldn't be removed, but the results are a huge improvement. First of all, I put on thick rubber gloves since the stuff says it causes cancer in people in California, and I'm not that far away over in Texas. After setting up an acetone bath and 5 layer facial tissue beds to lay coins on, I just used Tarn-X soaked cotton balls to directly touch the coins, no swabbing or side movements. Tarn-X'd with soaked cotton ball on each side for around 5 seconds and then direct rinse with running hot water (I have a whole house water softener and carbon filter btw), then a very light press-dry with facial tissue. Repeated that exact process 3 times on each side of coin, no more than 5 seconds or so of tarn-X contact per side (with fresh cotton ball soaked with Tarn-X), rinse and facial tissue press-dry, repeated 3 times. Finished off the cleaning with an acetone bath to displace any residual Tarn-X and water. It was worth a shot since the coin was trashed. It looks acceptable, but definitely not a candidate for TPG. I like Tarn-X but I think it's like cutting my own hair. I think I can cut a little more off, until I'm giving myself a crew-cut because I went too far. So be careful with the Tarn-X, if you decide to use it. Thanks to Crazyb0 for the inspiration, and thanks for all of the warnings from everyone!
Edited by The Regency Store 08/19/2017 03:12 am
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Nice improvement. Well done. I would assume it is still a details coin but still nice for the collection.
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I am staggered by the result. Frankly, the only thing that stopped me from giving you a piece of my mind yesterday for even suggesting the use of Tarn-X on a coin was the fact that I'd then have to ban myself for having said it.  So, what was on the coin was not the result of a previous overdipping, but a coating/patina of some sort which your operation removed. An overdipped coin simply_cannot recover luster as yours did. Not possible. Therefore, some of what we were seeing is a caution about forming conclusions too complete from images - they did not tell the truth about what was happening with the coin. However, that caution also applies to the "after" set of images. This is still almost certainly a "Details" coin; it's just a far more appealing Details coin now.  Your technique went a long way towards ensuring your success. I will still advise anyone reading not to employ Tarn-X in the treatment of any coin; in this case I suspect you'd have been equally served by the use (with similar technique) of thiourea, with fewer active ingredients which may or may not have interacted unfavorably with whatever was on the coin. You got lucky. And that's not a viable retirement plan for anyone. If a random person uses this technique another ten times on various coins, they will almost certainly completely destroy at least eight of them. And that's the problem with using techniques this invasive on coins - not that they do not sometimes work, but that they usually do not work in the worst-possible fashion, and there's no way of knowing beforehand what the outcome will be. But looking at this coin makes my arguments appear hollow, however accurate they may be. 
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I never would have predicted these results. I am glad you were able to save a decent looking coin from ruin. 
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