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Newly Discovered 1794 Large Cent Variety?

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 Posted 08/20/2017  4:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brad Troemel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey all! The edge on this cent reads "one hundred for a dollar", which ive narrowed down to s17a, s17b, s18a, s18b, s19a, s19b, s20a, s20b.

Here's how it differs from those:

-LIBERTY is further to the right than any of the listed varieties. The T starts to the right of where the hair meets the forehead

-the flowing hair extends further back at the top than any of the listed varieties. The closest hair to my coin the the s17a/b, but my coins date is compact, not wide and the 17 hairstyle differs from my coins two near-identical s-shaped locks the second and third from the top flowing lock.

-the convex wreath leaf pointing to the N in UNITED on the back is unlike any 1894s sheldon has listed. Its luckily enough one of the sharpest details featured on the reverse.

Let me know what you think I'm excited to hear yours thoughts





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Congrats and thank you for your contribution to numismatic scholarship.
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Was told by Bill Eckberg that all 1794s have that edge. With the other details withstanding the double S's in the hair (along with the oppositely curled top lock and lump of a "first" lock of seven total), position of LIBERTY, and convexed lower left wreath leaf seem to point to the NC.5

Any Sheldon / Noyes experts out there have any thoughts? Happy to provide more pictures zoomed to the best of my phones ability
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Heres a hair, liberty position, and date comparison with the two NC5s listed on PCGS
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Your coin does not appear to be any of the varieties you have listed (all of which are heads of 1793).

In all of the heads of 1793, the space between T and Y (in LIBERTY) is located right above the forelock and the forehead. In your coin it does not.

Your coin is another of the many 1794 varieties. Have not checked which it is.
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First thing I can tell is it is a head of 94, one of the later ones S-44 through S-68. It doesn't have the heavy obv denticals at the lower right so we can eliminate S-64,65, and NC-6. Date is curved so 63 is out. Date is compact so 58, 59, 66, and 67 are out.

That's where I am now after just a couple minutes of looking. I will try to get back to it later.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am interested in seeing how this turns out...
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 Posted 08/23/2017  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheldon Overton Baby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am skeptical but open minded.

OP: Are you able to email some members better pictures? I think be easier for us to zoom in and whatnot. You have to turn on the ability to receive PM if you do.
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Obverse 19, reverse ? More than likely it is a S-43. Hard to tell if the diebreaks are visible.
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I would assume with how quickly this died it was a worn s-43
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