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Pillar of the Community
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Ok now I am back to the real me none of this mr nice guy grading from the 32. I think this is a solid MS63 what say you?   |
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I cannot see this in a 63 holder. The color is nice, but way too many hits on the rim, a few too many hits on the cheek, chin, and forehead. The reverse also has a few distracting marks, below the stems, rim, and the wheat stalk on the right side.
Now I am sure that there will be many dealers who could put this in a 2x2 and sell it at a 63, but if you were to submit this coin to PCGS or NGC, I think that you would be disappointed.
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Just when I think I have it right.... Oh well back tot he books and more practice practice practice....
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Nohope I know nothing whatsoever about coppers but my friend buys and slabs them and knows his coppers I will ask his opinion because I would have gone to MS 63 or higher on this coin  |
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Originally posted by nohope587
Oh well back tot he books and more practice practice practice....
Exactly. That is the only secret to success. I see many thousands of coins each year. It takes quite an effort to "see" the coin. Most give the coin an overview, and end their thought there. The grading companies take quite a few factors into consideration. 1. Overall appearance. 2. Strike 3. Rim hits 4. Bag marks - scratches 5. Luster breaks 6. Spots 7. Other imperfections 8. Overall eye appeal The key areas are focused on the obverse design, and directly in front of the image. With bust images this area is directly in view of which way the images faces. Any hit in this area is counted, while hits behind the image get less attention. On the reverse, more attention is placed on the devices than the fields. (for the most part). With large fields such as the Wheat cent, nicks and hits can distract your attention. This kills the grade fast. On all Mint State coins, the focus is on overall eye appeal. With this Lincoln Cent, there are many hits on the rim, and that draws your eye away from the devices. Some of the legend "In God We Trust" looks very beat up. This could have happened in the striking process, but from the pics, it looks like it got beat up in the bag. As I said earlier, many a dealer could sell this coin as a 63, but I truly believe that you would see a 60 or 61 from NGC or PCGS. |
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Thanks ND another ten or fifteen years and I may be willing to buy a high grade raw coin based on my own grading skills. The two marks below the stalk seem to be raised when I look at the coin through a loop. This would indicate a problem with the die I think.
Either way for me the Number "8. Overall eye appeal" Is my intial reaction to this coin and I think caused me to be a little less concerned with the flaws. I will try to be a little more objective..
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MS-62 on this coin, this grade allows for the eye appeal of the coin it has really good color practically full red, I also saw the lines on the reverse as raised in the pic, making the reverse quite nice.
a couple of less hits on the cheek and this coin would be a hard 63 IMHO,,
Rick
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Well this might be worth submitting to NGC
My friend thinks MS 63 RD minimum
His main objection is that " the face has a few dings "
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Pillar of the Community
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I may send this one off just to see. After looking at it through a loop I can see what ND is talking about but its oh so pretty up close and personal. If I win $20 or more on Lotto Scratch cards today its off to be graded even if I crack it out when it comes back. If not it will go back home to the Dansco.
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ageka makes a good point. Submitting coins to a particular grading company can help quite a bit. When you see their grades, you can once again look at the coin and "see" what they see. I learned this lesson many times over the years. Each service has their own way of looking at a coin. It takes quite a bit to learn, but is well worth the effort.
I can now pick coins in a given holder, and have a 99% idea of what NGC will grade the coin. Same goes for PCGS and Anacs. For this coin, I see a MS-61 in a NGC holder while PCGS would grade it 60.
I think Anacs would also holder the coin at 61.
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Pillar of the Community
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One more consideration. In a 63 holder this coin has a CDN bid of $18 and a ask value of $20.00
So, if the coin matches well with your other coins, do not worry about grading the coin.
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Have to buck the trend. That's a MS64 (strong) to 65RD. I have enough MS65's in both PCGS and NGC holders, my gut was a 65 when I first saw it.
Barely noticable blemishes, Red luster looks really good, a few small contact marks that I can see in the photo, some light scuff marks in the high points.
Edited by zakgold
12/29/2005 8:54 pm
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