09 S VDB... What Would You Grade It?

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jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/28/2005 3:36 pm I have been having problems posting pictures. What is the max size that is allowed? Well anyways, I just picked up the S VDB and just wondering what you think the grade would be? Thanks! Jordan www.bright.net/~isaac/svdbobv.jpg www.bright.net/~isaac/svdbrev.jpg Report this Post to the Staff

Metalman Pillar of the Community United States 7123 Posts	Posted 12/28/2005 3:56 pm Hi JD Lets see what these look like !! Image: svdbobv.jpg 61.81 KB Image: svdbrev.jpg 72.58 KB File limit size is 100KB but the system seems to like JPG's around or below 60KB its always best to photo your coins out of the 2x2, and then crop it down a little . Rick Report this Post to the Staff
Metalman Pillar of the Community United States 7123 Posts	Posted 12/28/2005 4:02 pm I still cant see the S very well, this is a very important area when buying a Raw S VDB but the liberty seems right as authentic, but it is not a certianty. assuming authenticity , this coin looks VF-30 to me. Rick Report this Post to the Staff
jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/28/2005 8:30 pm Also, under an eyepiece... the B looks a little fishy as well. (since the the B's were diff in the S and the Plain...) I am fairly new into all this, been in it for about a month. But I showed it to someone who is normally very good at spotting counterfeit coins, and he said this one MAY be one, but he would send it in to find out for sure. I bought it locally from a guy that anybody around this area knows (whether they know coins or not) and he told me that he would have no problem returning a coin for the same price, for any reason. So that's always a good thing. I am going to give it to the guy who questioned the authenticity of it to put it under a higher power scope to see. Some beech. oh well, if it is fake, I won't be out anything... I hope. ----------------------- Edit. I believe I was wrong. It was the D that was different than the Plain, correct? Edited by jdheyne 12/28/2005 8:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Metalman Pillar of the Community United States 7123 Posts	Posted 12/28/2005 9:08 pm Hi JD Im not saying the cent is a counterfeit, I'm just saying that for this particular coin ,a person cant be to careful when buying it raw, It very well could be authentic,I just cant tell from the pic, you can either submit the coin to anacs or find someone who you trust to authenticate it first. My suggestion if you cant get better pics of the Mint mark, and motto would be to submit it to anacs , its a small price to pay for peace of mind. Rick Report this Post to the Staff
jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/28/2005 11:36 pm Hopefully these are a little better... Image: VDDBB.jpg 5.77 KB Image: SSSvdb.jpg 9.54 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Metalman Pillar of the Community United States 7123 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 12:36 am Hi JD I couldnt do much with the pic !! Image: 20051228223517_SSSvdb~1.jpg 20.77 KB it became pretty blurred when it was enlarged, There is something bothering me about the mint mark I'm not sure if it is the placement, kinda high and tight or the serifs on the S itself,, and with a closer look (Liberty) also it could just be the angle of the photo ,,can you tell if the L appears to be a little smaller than the I and the I a bit fat as compared to the rest of the letters ? lets see what others have to say !! Rick Edited by Metalman 12/29/2005 12:40 am Report this Post to the Staff
longnine009 Pillar of the Community United States 1247 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 06:41 am I can barely make out the V.D.B on the reverse. This is an important indicator. On known genuines the V.D.B is between to ends of the wheat stalk but the letters are slightly more to the left than dead center of the two stalk ends. Also the center bar in the B is angled upwards. From the left side of the B the horizontal bar angles up as it goes towards the right side of the B. The D and B should also also look like they are tilted just a bit to the left. If you have this, it's a good indicator, but it's only an indicator. IMO, you should not play around with this. The 1909S V.D.B is one of the most counterfeited coins on the market. Send it to a TPG for grading. If it gets a grade then it's been authenticated. Authenticating is something that they actually can do. Report this Post to the Staff
jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 08:27 am Thanks for the help. I will try to pot more pics of LIBERTY a little bit later. Report this Post to the Staff
jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 08:33 am I also see what you mean as far as the placement of the S. I was looking at some others and it does not seem to be near that high... I guess only one way to find out for sure... Report this Post to the Staff
catman Rest in Peace United States 954 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 09:26 am For whatever my opinion is worth I am sure that the coin you have is the real thing. One must be careful when grading not to look at it too close. The minor differences described, IMHO, don't make it a fake. Keep in mind that most '09 VDB fakes are made by adjusting the obverse. usually the mint mark and a real '09 VDB is used. There are a few fakes where the VDB was added but very few and this coin doesn't have the indications necessary. There have been some cast coins made but they stick out loike a sore thumb. I would grade this a VF-35 to an XF-40. catman Point: Take this coin out of the 2x2 as soon as possible. There is a small flake of cardboard dust on the coins surface that needs to be taken off before it forms a carbon spot. Report this Post to the Staff
jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 10:12 am The was the first thing I did after noticing the pictures... get rid of that flake. Report this Post to the Staff
zakgold Valued Member United States 382 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 9:06 pm Obverse would grade around VF30 to 35. The reverse is much better...almost a AU50 IMO Edited by zakgold 12/29/2005 9:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
adobero1 Valued Member United States 363 Posts	Posted 12/29/2005 9:29 pm The only thing I have to add is that Walter Breen states that at least 6 genuine obverse dies are known, which would allow for some differences in mintmark placement. He also states that some false mintmarks have been placed onto genuine 09's (which we all know), and more recently, dangerously deceptive dies have been manufactured. Authentication is mandatory says Breen, and all the rest of us say the same! Report this Post to the Staff
jdheyne Pillar of the Community United States 772 Posts	Posted 12/30/2005 12:41 am Here is a better LIBERTY pic... Image: svdbliberty.jpg 23.87 KB Report this Post to the Staff
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