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Edited by Tootallious
09/18/2017 2:17 pm
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First of all there's no reason for anyone to fake a 1909-vdb unless they have other thoughts in mind like adding an S mint mark . 2nd, this coin is circulated
and cleaned .
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I don't see the slant/tilt in the cross bar of the B. that is why I'm questioning it but I am new here and still learning. I try to do as much research as I possibly can on every coin I have or look at. Thank You for your thoughts on it! I appreciate all opinions and thoughts. :-)
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The coin you show is a Philadelphia coin, while the diagnostic pictures are for San Francisco.
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is it worth $9.99 in this condition and having been cleaned?
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scstrawn, what exactly does that mean? never mind. I just realized that you referring to the two pics from PCGS.
Edited by Tootallious
09/18/2017 2:59 pm
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Hey Toots! For starters, these may be different dies produced from different master hubs. Slight irregularities will occur. As was stated, why fake a very common "semi-key date" coin...only Key dates bring high premiums in any grade.
No, $10 is not a very good deal on a 09VDB, not this one at least as VF25, maybe a 20. If it is a Best offer, $7 shipped, otherwise, "Run, Forrest, run!"
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09/18/2017 3:13 pm
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AS others have stated, The diagnostic for detecting fakes is only true for the San Francisco mint 1909 S VDB.
In fact, the very explanation of said diagnostic is that the S is added and the coin is really a Philly mint coin. So finding the initials in the "counterfeit" way is actually expected on a P coin.
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ok I just read this. (The master die for the 1909 included the 1909(P) with V.D.B. as well as the 1909-S with V.D.B. So all coins struck with working dies made from that master die were the same. As for the 1909 without the V.D.B. (both [P] and S versions), they also were struck from the same master dies, only the V.D.B. had been removed.)
I understand "why would someone fake a common semi-key date coin" it doesn't make any cents. (pun intended) the b still doesn't look right to me but I am still learning and thank you for the information and advice! I am going to pass on this coin for two reasons. 1, too much as Cranyb0 has said. and 2, I would much rather come across the 1909 s! you all are Awesome! and that is why I'm here :-) thank you everyone!
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It is not true that all VDBs are the same. There are many variations of the VDB, particularly those used in Philadelphia. For example, Philadelphia minted some VDB coins with the second period close to the D, but the San Francisco mint never used such a configuration.
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09/18/2017 3:36 pm
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1, too much as Cranyb0 has said. and 2, I would much rather come across the 1909 s! Does Crazyb0 have a new nick name?  And a 09-S in circulated condition is gonna set you back around a hundred, the 09-S VDB is really gonna empty your pockets to the tune of around 800 for also a circulated cent - be prepared. |
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 CrankyBO...? Nah, I worked hard earning that teenage handle! Sorry Mark, no change coming there, live with it!  |
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1909 VDB are just plain common up to and including MS 65 RB.
They were saved by the zillions.
It costs no more than the $10 you mentioned for an uncleaned example.
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yes I know that they are pricey, one will come my way some day and if need be, I could part with one of the gold coins that I have. Crazyb0, I apologize for the typo. As far as nick names go, I'm 6'5 and was dubbed Tootall in high school some 35+ years ago. if you called me by my given name I probably wouldn't respond. Tootallious is my Roman version of Tootall.
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09/18/2017 5:12 pm
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