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So I just bought these 2 Morgan's, and was wondering if I can get a couple more eyes and opinions on it. One is an 1881 CC and the other is an 1885 CC. Thanks for your help everyone. Really excited to have these in my collection.   |
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Rest in Peace
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Please show straight on photos of obverse and reverse for each coin. I couldn't make them large enough before the details disappeared.
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 United States
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Sorry. I should know better than to post ones like that for a grading question. Let me work on playing with some better ones. Will post shortly.
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United States
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Here is the 1881 CC....   Here is the 1885 CC....   Let me know if these are clear enough. Thanks. |
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81: xf40
85: au50
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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One of the reasons I asked for better photos was to confirm that both of these looked funky.
My least favorite coin type are the Morgan's so I'm a zillion miles away from being an expert, and hopefully I'm wrong, but they both smell funny.
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It is all but certain that these are both counterfeit. They use the same reverse - note the mint mark placement and spacing, and the identical "lump" on the E in AMERICA. That MM configuration is not known for either year, to boot.
Everything else about them rings all my alarm bells, but it's difficult to enunciate - the overall weakness of strike in places I don't expect a weak strike on a Morgan, the size of the serifs on the letters, a lot of things say "fake" to me.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree they look funny but give the post a few hours for Morgan experts to chime in. Those aren't common date CC's.
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SsuperDdave is the Morgan expert and I agree these are counterfeits. OP, you should return these for a refund if at all possible.
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SsuperDdave is the Morgan expert You ain't exactly a rookie yourself, brother.  |
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You ain't exactly a rookie yourself, brother. Yeah, my rookie card is a bit dusty.  |
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I agree 100% they are fakes. The have the doctored antique look the Chinese have been doing. Plus the vast majority of 1881 and 1885 CC's are uncirculated. Get your money back as soon as possible. I am quite surprised others thought they were legitimate, as soon as I saw them I thought fakes.
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I'm sorry for not responding faster everyone. I work nights and I sleep during days. Just woke up for work. So I tested these for weight and being magnetic.
Came out of a known collection that has had some amazing coins verified and graded. What about he CC's am I missing?
darn. That happiness bubble bursted. I should be able to get full refund though. But want to look over closer for a day so I can see my errors.
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Things become a whole lot clearer about counterfeits of this type - the common, mass-produced ones - when you're able to grade a Morgan on sight from P01 to MS67. Once you know what a given level of wear looks like on the coin, you'll understand how the surfaces of these present differing levels of relative wear at different places on the coin. Parts of them seem worn to VF levels, while other parts of the coin seem AU. The wreath on the reverse seems well-worn, yet the wings have barely begun the wear process, and where they show wear is not where the wings begin wearing. The same is true of the obverse. These things demonstrate weakness in the center of the coin, and the hair framing the face usually - as in this case - looks more "worn" than the rest of the details would indicate. Prior knowledge of the sheer commonality of faked Carson City Morgans is another help. It would not surprise me if there are as many fakes of one sort or another extant as the existing "real" population of many Carson City dates, and these are two of the rarer dates which would likely be on that list. In the "condition" they tend to seem here, the 1881-CC should be a $300 coin and the 1885-CC a $500 coin. Offered them at (for example) $75 each? Sort of a red flag there, too.  I hope you are able to get your refund. |
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SsuperDdave, thank you for explaining more. I knew the cc'S were faked a lot, and I looked over as well as my novice eyes could. And knowing this collector has some amazing graded/verified coins, and a couple cc'S as well, well I guess taken for a ride. But he is a stand up gentleman, and honestly, should have no problem returning. Thanks everyone for all your help and inputs.
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Keep us informed on what happens. Hope the return goes smoothly.
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