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robert_93030 New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 10:58 am hi everyone great forum lots of info here, I have this coin and I cant find any info about it? not sure if its gold it looks gold and is about 22grams and a magnet does not stick to it LOL . I did scratch a little on the side and its the same color as the outside any info would be great.. Image: 1.jpg 66.02 KB Image: 2.jpg 59.82 KB Image: 3.jpg 64.02 KB Image: 4.jpg 66.28 KB Image: 5.jpg 65.96 KB Edited by Sap 05/10/2008 12:52 am Report this Post to the Staff

Peter THOMAS Pillar of the Community Australia 2830 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 12:16 pm I don't know enough about coins of that era to say if it is genuine or not, ... but the markings are consistent with Spanish coins of 1701. I suggest that you measure its diameter. That will help whoever comes along with more information than I. Oh, and dont scratch it any more. Peter Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 2:00 pm Hello and welcome to the forum. The design looks like a Spanish 8 Real coin of 1701. The problem is that the 8 real was minted in silver not gold. The weight is also off the 8 real should weigh 27.7 grams, even the gold 8 Escudos of the period should weigh 27.7 grams. Sorry to say but I think this is a modern reproduction of an 8 real made to look like a gold coin. Report this Post to the Staff
robert_93030 New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 4:43 pm it does look a little like those but not 100% I will recheck the weight tonight its starting to look like a repo here are some more pics.on the front the is a shelid? with a crown ontop to the left of the sheild j b or I b ? and to the right is 8 p the writing says philippus V D grat and on the back it says 1701 hispaniarvm rex with two lions with crowns and two castles. Image: 6.jpg 59.87 KB Image: 7.jpg 56.68 KB Image: 8.jpg 53.28 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Peter THOMAS Pillar of the Community Australia 2830 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 7:02 pm "philippus V D grat" = Philip the 5th, By the Grace of God ... "hispaniarvm rex" = King of Spain The complicated shield reflects the complicated pedigree that Philip relied upon to justify his claim to the throne. He was the first Bourbon on the Spanish throne. Diameter ? Peter Report this Post to the Staff
robert_93030 New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 05/08/2008 11:57 pm WOW great info I will have the mesurments in the morning as far as the weight my scale says 6oz? gotta be fake or my scale is wrong I will weight it at work they have a gram scale there. thanks again. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16816 Posts	Posted 05/09/2008 04:02 am Spanish gold 8 escudos of 1701 normally look like this. Silver 8 reales look more like what you've got. Example. Even so, I can't find an example with just "D GRAT" - it always seems to be "DEI GRAT". It's not from any of the Spanish colonies or European territories ruled by Philip (such as Milan), either. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
robert_93030 New Member United States 7 Posts	Posted 05/09/2008 05:01 am it 17.5 grams and 1 3/4" x 1 1/2" I think its a replica now? I will buy a gold tester to find out? Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 05/13/2008 10:31 pm robert_93030 Just saw the post. Are there any traces of a mounting on the edge? Cayon lists only 4 versions of an 8R made in 1701 and NONE match this style, none of the 4 has the date on the same side as yours. Dating like that appears to be modeled on a 2R or perhaps a 4R. The weight and diameter indicate an obvious copy - but a fantasy not something intended to defraud. To me it looks like a copy made for jewelry - a fantasy piece so to speak. Interesting, very interesting up to at least $30 anyway. Report this Post to the Staff
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