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Dutch Voc 10 Stuiver 1786

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 Posted 10/19/2017  7:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Archeo1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A nice 6 stuiver or ship shilling issued by the Dutch VOC company in it's later days in 1786.
The VOC, founded in 1602, had possibly in fact the first globally-recognized corporate logo. Around the world and especially in English-speaking countries, the VOC is widely known as the "Dutch East India Company". The name 'Dutch East India Company' is used to make a distinction with the [British] East India Company (EIC) and other East Indian companies. As the first historical model of the quasi-fictional concept of the megacorporation, the VOC possessed quasi-governmental powers, including the ability to wage war, imprison and execute convicts, negotiate treaties, strike its own coins, and establish colonies. The VOC played a crucial role in business, financial, socio-politico-economic, military-political, diplomatic, ethnic, and exploratory maritime history of the world.
In terms of military-political history, the VOC, along with the Dutch West India Company (WIC/GWIC), was seen as the international arm of the Dutch Republic and the symbolic power of the Dutch Empire. The VOC was historically a military-political-economic complex rather than a pure trading company (or shipping company). In terms of exploratory maritime history of the world, as a major force behind the Golden Age of Dutch exploration and discovery (ca. 1590s-1720s), the VOC-funded exploratory voyages such as those led by Willem Janszoon (Duyfken), Henry Hudson (Halve Maen) and Abel Tasman revealed largely unknown landmasses to the western world. In the Golden Age of Netherlandish cartography, the VOC navigators and cartographers helped shape geographical knowledge of the modern world as we know them today. The commercial networks of Dutch transnational companies, like the VOC and GWIC, provided an infrastructure which was accessible to people with a scholarly interest in the exotic world.
Due to structural changes, the Fourth Anglo-Dutch War, and French invasion of the Netherlands, the company was nationalised in 1800, and its possessions and debt were taken over by the government of the Batavian Republic (1795-1806). The VOC's territories became the Dutch East Indies and were expanded over the course of the 19th century to include the whole of the Indonesian archipelago, which would later become the modern Republic of Indonesia.
Obv: Standing Dutch Maiden
Legend: HAC NITIMVR - HANC TVEMVR
Rev: Coat-of-arms between X & ST., in a rococo cartouche with the VOC logo.
Legend: MO:ARG:ORD:FŒ:BELG:WESTF:1786
Mass: (gr) 5,56
Diameter: 28mm

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Dutch-Voc-10-Stuiver-1786
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 Posted 10/20/2017  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guybrush to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting! In Indonesia there are some silver stuivers on sale too, but I only have copper Doit from the VOC era and copper 1/16 Gulden from the 1800's Batavia (mow Jakarta).
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Indonesian local rulers only traded products with the VOC if they were paid in silver. So a lot of silver coins went from the Netherlands to Indonesia. The VOC coinage was also a bit heavier then the normal Dutch coins. A lot of fraude was made with these coins.
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I see. VOC coins, particularly larger than 2 stuivers face value are rather scarce in the market. I suspect that the government has seized most of them: historical finds and even ancient hoards are all claimed by the goverent when possible. A bis sad actually
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Nice detail. The maiden is leaning on a big bible. The so called "Staten Bijbel" or in English: State bible, it looks a bit like the King James Bible. My family has a Staten bijbel like that from the 1637. In the family since the 18th century
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This is all interesting but it is in the wrong section. Should be in the world coins section as the VOC coins were NOT US colonials (except to the extent the colonies used ANYTHING they could get their hands on.)
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Sorry for that, I have always learned that the New Amsterdam colony of the Dutch aka later New York used all the European currencies that were transported to the US. The Dutch VOC copper coins or New York pennies as most heard example.
But if it is in the wrong section, how can I move it to the good section?
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Common mistake, people remember the Dutch in the New York area, and they know the VOC copper Duit coins are Dutch (And they are common) so they assume the coins were used in New York ie New York Pennies. Unfortunately the VOC coins were for the colonies on the other side of the world and most of the ones seen are from the mid to late 1700's. The Dutch were pushed out of the New York area in 1690 so they were long gone when the "New York Pennies" were made.

As for moving a thread, it isn't really necessary. As I said it was interesting. You can't move it yourself anyway. If you really wanted it moved you would use the "Report this Post to the Staff" link found in the bottom right corner of each post and ask them to move it.
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 Posted 07/18/2018  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing. It definitely has important history behind it.
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 Posted 07/18/2018  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BCTokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a nice piece.

One small point. The denomination is 10 stuiver, not 6 stuiver.

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American patriots know the Dutch were wonderful allies and loaned them lots of money. On Nov 16, 1776 a ship flying the red and white striped flag of the Continental Congress entered the port of St. Eustatius in the West Indies. The island's fort (Holland) defied England's wishes and gave the ship a salute, firing it's cannons, in recognition of the ship and that it's flag represented a legitimate nation. That's known as The First Salute and it had profound repercussions over the next several years.
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