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The below 1875-S Twenty Cent Piece was listed as a quarter by a coin dealer. I could tell by the pic of the obverse that it wasn't a quarter. Upon looking at the reverse, I spotted a fairly obvious, Retained Cud. I've long been attracted to error coins. Aside from an 1875-S/S, I've not before possessed a more significant error coin of this denomination. I was able to view online another example in a much higher grade. No idea as to value of these pieces.    |
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It almost looks like a double retained. Nice score!
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Whoa! SCORE! now if you paid quarter price of $12, you got a killer of a deal, $50 coin at the least! Like that top letter crack, very nicely picked!
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Very nice snag, and congratulations! You have a variety and a error coin all in one. I love that Retained Cud! Errers and Varietys.
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You have a variety and a error coin all in one. It's one or the other in this case, right?  Nice catch, ExoGuy!  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Thanks for the cheerfully encouraging responses, guys. I've found a few of these Cuds on Indian cents in the past. Funny, what stuff I've found over the years, trolling largely for counterstamps and tokens. Making "finds" has helped me sustain interest in this hobby for over six decades now. Most of my best finds have been at shows and flea markets. Quote:
You have a variety and a error coin all in one. It would seem so, but I know there's been much collector debate about drawing a line on errors and varieties over the years. I recently discussed this issue with another longtime collector of Civil War tokens. Two of my best finds in that genre were flip-over double-strikes. Even when the dies are common, these tend to be listed as varieties, in and of themselves. Some say "aye" and others "nay." This double-dime Cud error raises the same issue. Edited by ExoGuy
08/07/2018 04:03 am
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Nice die cracks but I wouldn't call them Retained Cuds. I see no vertical displacement of the die pieces. |
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It looks like you have a misplaced digit or two in the dentile reeds. I agree with Conder101...die crack not a Cud. Edited by oih82w8
08/07/2018 11:24 am
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Nice coin, but it's not a Cud, it's a die crack. Edited by SilverDollar2017
08/07/2018 11:35 am
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It looks like you have a misplaced digit or two in the dentile reeds. FS-20-1875S- 301Comments: Don't expect a premium on this variety or the next. The date without an MPD is actually scarcer than one with the digits in the denticles. ( CherryPickers Guide 5th ed.) My first though was also a Retained Cud, but agree with Condor101 that's a die crack. Edit: It is still a nice pick up. Edited by macmercury
08/07/2018 12:27 pm
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Quote:Nice die cracks but I wouldn't call them Retained Cuds. I see no vertical displacement of the die pieces. This is why I called it a "retained Cud." I found a similar piece, listed on the Cuds-on-Coins.com website. It is # CU-20c-1875S-01R. Is this website incorrect? .... http://cuds-on-coins.com/twenty-cen...s-1875-1878/Quote:
Don't expect a premium on this variety or the next. I know a collector who loves Twenty Cent Pieces. I sold one of my counterstamped pieces to him. I expect that he'll give me a premium. One thing I've learned about coins over the years is that, when you have a piece that's unusual, there's always a buyer who'll pay more. Indeed, I've often paid dealers beyond their asking price for desired counterstamps, unusual ones that are difficult to price. Consequently, they keep turning stuff up for me. It's a win-win scenario. Edited by ExoGuy
08/07/2018 2:14 pm
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If there is a collector seeking this particular die state or is hoarding examples you'll have someone willing to pay a small premium for this coin. The Brunner-Frost book is available online http://doubledimes.com/1875S-Summary.html-MV |
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Quote:This is why I called it a "retained Cud." I found a similar piece, listed on the Cuds-on-Coins.com website. It is # CU-20c-1875S-01R. Is this website incorrect? .... http://cuds-on-coins.com/twenty-cen...s-1875-1878/ Unfortunately some people refer to any rim to rim die crack as a " Retained Cud". I do not unless there is proof that the piece of the die has actually broken off the die completely as evidenced by vertical displacement, The coin you referenced in interesting because the crack running rim to rim through the top of UNITED shows no vertical displacement so I would not call it a Retained Cud. However the crack running from the rim next to the you to the wing DOES show vertical displacement north and south of the crack. The field north of the crack is higher than that south of the crack. |
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wow, that S mintmark is mushed quite a bit too
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