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New Member
United States
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Hello everyone, Hopefully somebody can help me or guide me on how to proceed with this. I bought a coin (Mexico 5 centavos 1919) and it I believe is a fake coin. I have submitted the image in this post to prove that the image is not authentic. When I first open the case, ebay ask me to waiting and see if the sell will respond, but the seller never did. Now my case is on hold again with this message: "We need written confirmation from the manufacturer or law enforcement to confirm if the item is authentic or not." Does anybody know if going to a police station they will be able to help me with that written confirmation? Has anybody used the " ebay Money Back Guarantee" on coins? and had any favorable results? Thanks for the help.  |
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Rest in Peace
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Number on, fonts are different, sure sign of a copy. Next,  here! The original is wider and larger, no reason why this can't be sent back and refunded unless ebay has a time limit on processing claims, I don't know. Call a customer rep at ebay, they should be able to walk you through what you need to do and just by what homework you have here should be enough, you show the "replica" which undoubtedly has no "COPY" anywhere(even might have a very tiny one or "Made in China" somewhere in design (which is off on many details). BTW, notice how fake 5 top come to sharp point on fakes, has cast copy written all over it for sure. Edited by Crazyb0
10/23/2017 12:30 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Your present a pretty good case in the pics. The denticles around the rim are also in question. Have you checked weight and diameter for a match to genuine? This may not be his place but, maybe bobby131313 could help?  The seller not responding is a pretty good sign to me that what you bought is fake. The other supporting evidence you provided and what I've seen seals the deal for me. I'd hate for you to be out whatever you paid because ebay is asking for "law enforcement" intervention. They can't and won't be able to help. Good luck contacting the "manufacturer". Edit: I found the listing. Just so anyone interested can see: 332375219460The seller (pretty low feedback but, not shabby) writes that the weight is 8.14g. This coin should be 9.0g in mint state. That's a pretty big difference. I also see that the seller offered 14-day returns. Did you not take that option? This may end up being on you, atocho. The pics you used were from the listing, not your own in-hand, so you should have noticed the differences before you put that last bid in. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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10/23/2017 01:51 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Ask for a return and if the seller does not respond you are automatically refunded. If they do respond then require that they pay return shipping and your money back. It is not your responsibility to prove to ebay or anyone else that the coin is counterfeit. Do not make this hard for yourself. You hold all the cards. |
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 United States
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Thanks for your information. @Crazyb0 good point on the tip of the 5, After this incident I have started to pay more attention on coins before buying. @BH1964 I did ask for a return, the seller just never responded. Basically disappeared after his auctions ended. When I asked ebay to step in, they made me wait one more week to see if the seller responded. @spruett001 yes, as you point out, I should have checked the weight. I never took that in account. I didn't expect to find fake copper coins in general. Thanks . I will call a customer rep at ebay and try to clarify as much as I can. Thank you all. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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One may purchase a similar copy from this source which I am apparently not allowed to post, $1.47 postpaid.
It's easy to find online, type the basic info plus the word copy
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10/23/2017 11:49 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Since you've received numismatic identification from experts here that the piece is fake, perhaps a copy and paste of the whole thread might wake them up.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:I did ask for a return, the seller just never responded. Basically disappeared after his auctions ended. When I asked ebay to step in, they made me wait one more week to see if the seller responded. You can easily get fully refunded through eBay/Paypal. Don't worry about proving authenticity. Sellers do disappear, eBay/Paypal insure you get your money back. Don't accept anything less than a full refund. Call ebay and ask for a supervisor if there's any conflict. You can contact Paypal directly for a refund as well. |
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United States
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Unless the officer is a coin expert he/she will not be able to confirm or deny authentication of a coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's a bad counterfeit of a key date issue. If you paid by PayPal, that would be my first line of resolution.
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Quote:It is not your responsibility to prove to ebay or anyone else that the coin is counterfeit. It should be. For the longest time people could say anything and steal from sellers with that attitude with claims. No one is saying to rip off buyers who bought a fake, but the attitude that they shouldn't have to prove anything is one of the biggest reasons why sellers are leaving ebay |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:Quote:It is not your responsibility to prove to ebay or anyone else that the coin is counterfeit. It should be. I don't think so, in this case. The buyer requested a return because the seller offered returns. The seller declined to acknowledge the request so things had to be taken to the next step. Failing to address a return request, for any reason, doesn't put the burden of proof on the buyer. That's simply a bad seller and actually lends a bit of leverage to the buyer in my opinion. There are bad buyers and bad sellers. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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I don't think so, in this case. No matter what there should be a burden of proof. Without proof anyone can say anything whenever they want and steal from people. Proof won't make anyone lose money who was scammed, but it will prevent scams |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It should be. For the longest time people could say anything and steal from sellers with that attitude with claims. No one is saying to rip off buyers who bought a fake, but the attitude that they shouldn't have to prove anything is one of the biggest reasons why sellers are leaving eBay No, it should not be incumbent on a buyer to prove a reason for wanting a return. It's cut and dry; not a legal, moral or ethical issue:  The buyer wants to return a coin they believe is counterfeit (reason for return is not relevant however). Seller does not acknowledge communication, thus implicitly refusing a return they must accept per their own 14 day return policy (a legally binding requirement). After the seller refuses to acknowledge communication, the buyer contacts ebay who (ludicrously) asks for proof of authenticity from buyer (when the reason for the return is not even a salient point). The buyer should contact Paypal and demand a full refund. Any suggestion that they need to "prove the item counterfeit" is contrary to what any reasonable person would suggest. |
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The buyer should contact Paypal and demand a full refund. Any suggestion that they need to "prove the item counterfeit" is contrary to what any reasonable person would suggest. Not once the buyer made it a question of authenticity. Had they just requested a return sure the seller should take it back. I really don't think that the returns are all that legally binding and some of the bigger ones don't really do a no questions asked, but yes I agree the seller should take it back if requested. However once the buyer made it about authenticity it's a different situation. That's beyond a simple return request and if they side with him they will likely tell him to just keep it. How the process plays out for claims of something being fake is much bigger than this single transaction |
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New Member
United States
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Update: Thanks again everyone for your help. I wanted to let everyone know that ebay is closing the case in my favor and I will get a full refund. They apologize for the confusing message, so I guess it was just a line item for them to put the case on hold until they did more reviewing or gave more time for the seller to respond. Thanks again. |
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