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Valued Member
United States
149 Posts |
Hi folks,, Got into collecting via inheriting some nice coins. Here is where I am at today: - CC Morgan MS collection completed. Mighty fine coins....# 30 in PCGS registry - started to collect other high end Morgans (all 65and above), about 25 coins to date, but losing steam and interest in non-CC Morgans. - making selective buys such as Australia Lunar dragon coins, and have got some amazing MS/PR70s at good prices. Planning to sell non-CC Morgans on ebay. Is it a good time to sell these and continue down the avenue of selective coin investments? E.g. Lunars have paid off handsomely so far. As far as collecting goes, prob will continue to enhance the CC Morgan lot, but not start any new collections. Will prob liquidate in 20 yrs or so if I live that long!! Any thoughts from this expert forum appreciated. Thanks
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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From what you indicate, you are into long term high value coin investing, with a distant horizon.
With that distance in mind, it would be hard to predict with a high degree of accuracy, which category of your coins will perform best over the investment period.
Old adage in coin investing: The rare coins get rarer, the common coins stay common.
They should all perform reasonably well from an investment point of view, but perhaps the CC Morgans best of all. That also is where your best knowledge and heart happens to be.
Sell the non CC Morgans if you have to, but keep them all, if you can.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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First, a pet peeve. Just finish typing "probably" instead of "prob". It's not that much longer. Second, I have learned that coins are not iinvestments. They don't have yearly gains. I'm not really sure what you're asking beyond that. 
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Valued Member
 United States
149 Posts |
Thank you Sel_691. Great feedback and absolutely agree with the old adage
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Valued Member
 United States
149 Posts |
You are probably right. Thanks
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Valued Member
 United States
149 Posts |
Coins are indeed an investment vehicle should one decide to use them as such. Have made stellar returns over a six month horizon on them. Point I am trying to make here is short term vs long term plus factoring in the collecting factor (CC Morgan's in my case). Latter is what I intend to hold, enhance and admire for years. But thanks for feedback.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Some people hold coins in superannuation investment portfolios. I don't. A 20 year horizon would suit a superannuation investment I happen to have a reasonably valuable collection, but it is NOT for superannuation purposes.
An investment advisor once said to me that a maximum of 5% of the total value of a superannuation investment could be held in artworks, bullion, rare coins or stamps. It is up to the expertise of the investor himself, because investment advisors don't have this sort of (numismatic) expertise.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Have made stellar returns over a six month horizon on them. @Shaf2b, I am glad that you have done well with this. For me, quite some time ago I gave up trying to to make anything with coins. I must lack either knowledge or interest. For me looking it as primarily a form of entertainment/ education keeps me from worrying about the financial aspect. Of course there will be some value in the end and of course I do keep an eye out for value and the opportunity to make some small profits on some items, but that does not even come close to covering my entire costs. I guess that I am a collector at heart and get things because I want to keep them.
Edited by oriole 10/23/2017 08:21 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The way I've always looked coin collecting is it is just a hobby. Yes it may be nice to make a profit from this but once your really old, all that seams silly. Now at a very old age, having stuff like stage 4 Cancer and a recent hart operation, I now think only of who will get all this soon. And what will they do with it all. Way, way to late to think about any profit from a hobby.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I have only been collecting for a short period, but have quickly realized that this is a hobby not an investment plan. Maybe the bullion aspect, but really that can be achieved through investing in commodities and precious metal stocks&bonds and extremely more secure then having all the gold and silver in a safe in your basement. Yes, there are items that another investor will pay up for, but the investors that have the means or willingness are hard to come by and my projection even harder to come by in the future. The older generations have already started liquidating there collections and the market has already started to be flooded with coins and bank notes. Yes, the rare ones are still hard to find, but again the amounts to be paid make them hard to obtain. As a hobby, its probably the best in the sense you will never loss your investment. You will defiantly be able to sell your collections for near or slightly above investment cost. I love fishing and in this hobby, I spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on gear that one day will be worthless, so in this aspect coin collecting ranks at the top.
My views
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Like all investments, there's different levels of risk involved, often correlated with the returns to be expected. Morgans are probably a safe bet, but that means you will pay a lot now and get a smaller % back in the long run. Lots of ultra-modern sets are good for flipping, but some also flop and people get stuck with expensive junk. Every once in a while, some surprise fad happens; a while ago, classic Indian mint sets from the 1960s came under HUGE demand, selling for hundreds of dollars after decades of going for $5. Also don't forget that ebay and paypal take a combined ~13% in fees; that can eat up profits quickly!
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Valued Member
 United States
149 Posts |
Great comments, thoughts and advice. I agree - there is a lot of liquidation going on, and market is being flooded with old generation collections. Will stick with the CC sets, hold off with other Morgans and bullion for the time being. May start an African gold set - some coins from this region are pretty cool
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Valued Member
Belgium
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Coin investments are very much of a gamble and the best way to invest is to get interested and become a collector, it's what will probably give the best return over the years/decades.
Since coin investing pretty much depends on how much people are in the hobby, it's truly hard to predict for decades to come.
Now that's only my opinion. And yeah, keep most of the Morgans you have I'd say.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The higher value per coin in your collection the more likely that you will receive a percentage of your purchasing price back at sale time. That means increasing the percentage of nice items you own and selling lessor value items, even at a loss. Regardless of the selling avenue your collection may follow the better average value per coin, the better will be the percentage that they will sell for. Prob. 
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Valued Member
United States
314 Posts |
Definitely agree that coin collecting for the vast majority of regular collectors should NOT be considered as as an investment and instead as a HOBBY...
I enjoy going to shows, meeting people, working on a collection, learning about coins, etc...
But it certainly shouldn't be part of any large-scale investment plan or program.. I honestly never expect to "make money" in my coin collecting.. But I don't make money doing many things I enjoy, such as hiking (lots of hiking gear and hiking trips, but no "profit" except beautiful views), etc...
And I would bet that the vast majority of hobbyists do not actually make money , especially if you took all your "real costs" into account (travel, storage, insurance, taxes, etc., etc.)...
Not doubting there are a few that can make money, but If you want to "invest", there are a lot of much better investments then coins.... and for the "casual hobbyist", I wouldn't ever suggest coins for anything except enjoyment...
My 2 cents..
M.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Coins have proven a tremendous investment for me over a long life time. I made mistakes, took my losses, got serious about it, studied different series intently, learned to grade, worked in a coin store and always bought the best and most attractive coins I could find. It has def. worked. 
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