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Valued Member
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I am really frustrated.  I have been sending back coins like crazy because many Canada coin dealers cannot tell the difference between Far Beads and Near Beads. I keep contacting Canada coin dealers on ebay and big companies that advertise on the Internet, and I keep getting disappointed. Either they do not have what I want in stock or they send me the Near Beads variety claiming it is the Far Beads variety. So, I am sending them back as fast as I get them. My Canada Small Cent collection is made up of four main mint strike types: BU (Business Strikes) from Bank rolls, Proof-Like (PL) Strikes from soft plastic Mint sets, Specimen (SP) Strikes from Hard Plastic Sets (Considered Specimen "Proof" until 1981), and Proof (Starting in 1981). For the date 1983 there are two main varieties, Far and Near Beads. I was able to purchase Far and Near Beads in Business Strike BU, but I have not had any luck finding Far Beads in PL, SP, or Proof. According to the price guide found on this Forum the 1983 Far Beads books for $2 in PL-64, $5 in SP-65, and no values are given for Proof coins. So, how can it be so rare that it cannot be found and is not available for sale? There are several Far and Near bead sets available in BU, but none listed in PL, SP, or Proof on ebay or anyplace on the Internet that I can find. Can someone please help me find these last three pennies for my set? There has to be a dealer or a collector that has one for sale at least in PL. I just need to be directed to the pennies, so I can buy them and complete my set. Please help me if you can. Thanks. Edited by pasasap
10/23/2017 6:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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i think you need to use the enlarge photo option on ebay and make up your own mind, before buying..most seller's don't distinguish that variety. I know I don't.. I would sell the 1983 small cent as just that , a 1983 proof like sealed penny..i certain;y can't tell the difference.. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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you are going to have to do the leg work, type in canada 1983 penny, then just look at the photos.. then make sure the seller isn't using stock photos..
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Valued Member
Canada
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I agree with Silverwolf, you need to step up your game and do the legwork! I'm sure I have some near and far beads varieties but as a dealer, since its a low value coin its not worth spending the time to distinguish the difference between the two.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Stock photos and photos they take that look blurry or fuzzy are no good. Sometimes the photos are just too small.
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Valued Member
Canada
324 Posts |
If you dont like a photo a buyer posts then I would suggest that you shouldnt buy the coin. Problem solved. Its not worth complaining about.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Silverwolf and Andy888, Most of the photos for common Canada Small Cents being sold on ebay are stock photos, and not photos of the actual coin you get. It is irrelevant rather I can identify the stock photo coin or not, because chances are that coin is no longer available in stock anyway. Besides, I have been contacting the sellers, and asking them to send me both varieties, if thy have both in stock. But, what they are sending me is two of the same variety, so you cannot blame me for getting frustrated. It is not all that hard to identify Far Beads from Near Beads if you have both varieties placed side by side. Also, it is important to know which is which anyway especially if you deal in BU Red Business Strikes. A roll of Far Beads in BU Red sells for about $5, but one single Near Beads variety in BU Red can sell for $20. So, I would think it is a good idea to be able to identify the two varieties correctly if you are a Coin Dealer that sells 1983 Canad Small Cents. Also, this forum is supposed to be about helping. What I need help on is finding a dealer who has both Far and Near Beads varieties for sale in PL, SP, and Proof, so I can buy them and stop asking. Edited by pasasap
10/25/2017 01:41 am
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Valued Member
Canada
324 Posts |
pasasap, you've inspired me! I dont have many non-silver coins on hand but I am going to go through my 1983 cents and if I have any I will let you know :)
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Valued Member
Canada
324 Posts |
This appears to be a 1983 Far beads, non?   |
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Valued Member
United States
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  The 1983 Small Cent on the left is the PL you say could be Far Beads, and the 1983 Small Cent on the right is a Business Strike BU that I know is Far Beads. Edited by pasasap
10/26/2017 3:42 pm
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Valued Member
United States
190 Posts |
Here is an example of Near Beads in Proof compared with your coin.   |
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Valued Member
United States
190 Posts |
Without posting both varieties, Far and Near Beads, side by side in PL, it is just hard to say if your coin is Far or Near Beads. Some people probably can look at your photo and say, one way or the other, but I am not that advanced, and I am not expecting you to be that advanced either. So, what I did was take Far and Near Beads varieties as they are listed on ebay to compare with your coin. I could not find any PL 1983 pennies labeled Far or Near Beads, so I had to use whatever mint strike was labeled. In the top photos, I compared your coin with a business strike in BU Red that was labeled Far Beads. In the bottom photos, I have placed your coin side by side with a Proof that is labeled Near Beads. If someone has Far and Near Beads in PL, then please post them, so we can see them side by side for a better analysis. All my PL's look like yours. I have ten, and all of them are the same variety. I believe your coin is Near Beads. Now, I do not have a Far Beads in PL to compare with or a photo of one, but I was told by a moderator, who surprisingly has not chimed in yet, that all Far Beads look the same rather they are in BU, PL, SP, or Proof. The same for the Near Beads variety they would all look alike. However, I have no evidence of this because nobody has ever posted Far and Near Beads side by side in all Mint Strike Finishes (BU, PL, SP, and PR). Only business strike photos have ever been posted to explain the difference between the two varieties. So, without any proof that I was mislead, I am going with what the moderator said, and he claimed to be an expert Canada Small Cent collector. What would help everyone on this Forum who wants 1983 Far and Near Beads in BU, PL, SP, and Proof is if someone who had all eight of them would post photos with Far and Near Beads side by side for each mint strike type. It may be that Far Beads looks different in Proof or PL as compared with the BU (business strike) version, but I do not know. (Note: For the purpose of this post business strike to me means pennies taken from bank rolls and not from mint sets.) Thank you for posting the photos and trying to help. But, what would really help is if someone just sold me 1983 Far and Near Beads varieties in PL, SP, and Proof, so I would have them in my set. I am sure it is easier for Canadians to purchase these coins at coin shows or from local dealers than it is for me to get them, since I live in the USA. I am sure someone could pick up all six coins for less than $20 there in Canada. I am at the mercy of ebay listings and online dealers. If they do not have what I need in stock, or if they refuse to try to help me, then I cannot get the coins, which is what has happened. So, that is why I am frustrated. |
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Also, this forum is supposed to be about helping. What I need help on is finding a dealer who has both Far and Near Beads varieties for sale in PL, SP, and Proof, so I can buy them and stop asking.
The first sentence you wrote is true. But our help is in providing you knowledge to help you identify the varieties and strikes they occur in. What you are asking for is not help, but more akin to a wanted ad. Post your requests for "help" here: http://goccf.com/f/15...and please stop asking in this sub-forum. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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However, I have no evidence of this because nobody has ever posted Far and Near Beads side by side in all Mint Strike Finishes (BU, PL, SP, and PR). Only business strike photos have ever been posted to explain the difference between the two varieties. So, without any proof that I was mislead, I am going with what the moderator said, and he claimed to be an expert Canada Small Cent collector. Seriously? Am I seeing another "photos or it does not exist" post? The business strikes were minted in Winnipeg, but the die change was approved, and used in Ottawa as well. I already told you that only one obverse die was used for the proof strikes - no far beads in proof strikes have been found (that I am aware of). Regardless of the strike (business, PL, SP), the bead spacing is the same as the coins struck in Winnipeg. They. Look. Exactly. The. Same... they don't make working punches (i.e., matrix or master dies) separately for PL and SP coins from that era. I searched almost 10,000 1983 PL sets over a period of five years, and I found maybe a dozen or so PL of the Far Beads. I searched over 2000 specimen sets in 8 years, and found five far beads. I stopped searching three years ago and I cannot explain the scarcity... BUT if you think any coin dealer carrying Canadian stock is going to care, let alone search, NCLT non-silver coins, then you need to rethink your strategy... Repeated posts here will accomplish nothing. Furthermore - stop asking. I am not going to post side-by-side photos of my coins, because there are certain people out there who mine this site for their own profit (book publishers who shall remain unnamed, and have stolen my images before). Lastly - NONE of my extra Far Beads in PL and SP strikes are for sale... I literally spent years hunting for them - I intend to sit on them for quite some time... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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